Anti-social personality disorder
#1
Anti-social personality disorder
Ok guys:
Here it is...years later. Flying professionally has gone by way of the dinosaur for me. Diagnosed with ASPD back in 2012. From what I understand ASPD is a permanent disqualifier. What are my chances of at least getting a 3rd Class medical w/limitation if there is such a thing..(SI). Really just wanna get my PPL w/Instr for ASEL and enjoy pleasure flying.
Let her rip!
atp
Here it is...years later. Flying professionally has gone by way of the dinosaur for me. Diagnosed with ASPD back in 2012. From what I understand ASPD is a permanent disqualifier. What are my chances of at least getting a 3rd Class medical w/limitation if there is such a thing..(SI). Really just wanna get my PPL w/Instr for ASEL and enjoy pleasure flying.
Let her rip!
atp
Last edited by atpwannabe; 06-08-2018 at 10:08 AM.
#2
Bummer.
Don't really know about that one.
But I had an FO recently who had some sort of obstructive defiant disorder.
I tried to find an AME/consultant who specializes in stuff like this.
Don't really know about that one.
But I had an FO recently who had some sort of obstructive defiant disorder.
I tried to find an AME/consultant who specializes in stuff like this.
#3
Hey rickair! Yep, I made the mistake of responding to the Chief Psychiatrist's note of my "law enforcement entanglements being drug related" as being ludacris and absurd". Boy was that the wrong answer/response. Hindsight is 20/20 vision!
At any rate, I'm going to petition him and ask if he'll review my file for the aforementioned request. Hopefully, he'll approve it. We'll see.
Good to hear from you.
atpwannabe
(Marcus)
At any rate, I'm going to petition him and ask if he'll review my file for the aforementioned request. Hopefully, he'll approve it. We'll see.
Good to hear from you.
atpwannabe
(Marcus)
#5
The diagnosis itself is not necessarily disqualifying, but the history that established that diagnosis may be:
Decision Considerations - Aerospace Medical Dispositions
Item 47. Psychiatric Conditions - Personality Disorder
The category of personality disorders severe enough to have repeatedly manifested itself by overt acts refers to diagnosed personality disorders that involve what is called "acting out" behavior. These personality problems relate to poor social judgment, impulsivity, and disregard or antagonism toward authority, especially rules and regulations.
A history of long-standing behavioral problems, whether major (criminal) or relatively minor (truancy, military misbehavior, petty criminal and civil indiscretions, and social instability), usually occurs with these disorders. Driving infractions and previous failures to follow aviation regulations are critical examples of these acts.
Certain personality disorders and other mental disorders that include conditions of limited duration and/or widely varying severity may be disqualifying. Under this category, the FAA is especially concerned with significant depressive episodes requiring treatment, even outpatient therapy. If these episodes have been severe enough to cause some disruption of vocational or educational activity, or if they have required medication or involved suicidal ideation, the application should be deferred or denied issuance.
Some personality disorders and situational dysphorias may be considered disqualifying for a limited time. These include such conditions as gross immaturity and some personality disorders not involving or manifested by overt acts.
....
So yeah, if you actually seriously screwed up in life and demonstrated that you don't give a fly in' $;:@ if you hurt people, your odds aren't great. If you simply PO'd a single shrink, heck, 80% of shrinks would have been seriously PO's to find that you had voted for the winner in the 2016 presidential election, some willing to testify in court that you are sociopathic for doing so.
Besides, everyone is entitled to a second opinion.
Decision Considerations - Aerospace Medical Dispositions
Item 47. Psychiatric Conditions - Personality Disorder
The category of personality disorders severe enough to have repeatedly manifested itself by overt acts refers to diagnosed personality disorders that involve what is called "acting out" behavior. These personality problems relate to poor social judgment, impulsivity, and disregard or antagonism toward authority, especially rules and regulations.
A history of long-standing behavioral problems, whether major (criminal) or relatively minor (truancy, military misbehavior, petty criminal and civil indiscretions, and social instability), usually occurs with these disorders. Driving infractions and previous failures to follow aviation regulations are critical examples of these acts.
Certain personality disorders and other mental disorders that include conditions of limited duration and/or widely varying severity may be disqualifying. Under this category, the FAA is especially concerned with significant depressive episodes requiring treatment, even outpatient therapy. If these episodes have been severe enough to cause some disruption of vocational or educational activity, or if they have required medication or involved suicidal ideation, the application should be deferred or denied issuance.
Some personality disorders and situational dysphorias may be considered disqualifying for a limited time. These include such conditions as gross immaturity and some personality disorders not involving or manifested by overt acts.
....
So yeah, if you actually seriously screwed up in life and demonstrated that you don't give a fly in' $;:@ if you hurt people, your odds aren't great. If you simply PO'd a single shrink, heck, 80% of shrinks would have been seriously PO's to find that you had voted for the winner in the 2016 presidential election, some willing to testify in court that you are sociopathic for doing so.
Besides, everyone is entitled to a second opinion.
#6
Excargodog:
LMAO! Never got a definitive explanation such as yours. It really isn't a laughing matter and I do take this process seriously.
Looking back, most indiscretions occurred starting just after my wife and I separated in 2003. During my quest for medical cert, I completed 3 HIMS evaluations with the latter two recommending certification. In addition, I had secured a HIMS AME out of KTMB who was willing to work with me. I really thought that I was on my way. Achieving a lifelong desire/dream meant everything to me. A profound sense of accomplishment. The FAA in DC/OKC had/has all of this information. When I got the denial letter from Drs. Chesanow, De Voll, and Tilton, man....I was crushed. Professionally, all I've ever wanted to do was become an airline pilot. If by chance the decision is reversed, in reality, I'll probably only have about 7-10 years of flying professionally, whether 91, 135, or 121. Preferably 91..."fly till you die". It'd be the best 7-10 years of my life!
I certainly appreciate and respect your explanation. Looking back, it's a bitter pill to swallow, however, I must and have taken ownership of all that's happened. In the words of the 9th step..."I will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it." Being transparent though, there are some things in the past that I do regret, but can't go back to change. All I can do is to continue to learn from past mistakes (not to be repeated) and build on my successes.
Thanks for the genuine response.
Marcus
(atpwannabe)
LMAO! Never got a definitive explanation such as yours. It really isn't a laughing matter and I do take this process seriously.
Looking back, most indiscretions occurred starting just after my wife and I separated in 2003. During my quest for medical cert, I completed 3 HIMS evaluations with the latter two recommending certification. In addition, I had secured a HIMS AME out of KTMB who was willing to work with me. I really thought that I was on my way. Achieving a lifelong desire/dream meant everything to me. A profound sense of accomplishment. The FAA in DC/OKC had/has all of this information. When I got the denial letter from Drs. Chesanow, De Voll, and Tilton, man....I was crushed. Professionally, all I've ever wanted to do was become an airline pilot. If by chance the decision is reversed, in reality, I'll probably only have about 7-10 years of flying professionally, whether 91, 135, or 121. Preferably 91..."fly till you die". It'd be the best 7-10 years of my life!
I certainly appreciate and respect your explanation. Looking back, it's a bitter pill to swallow, however, I must and have taken ownership of all that's happened. In the words of the 9th step..."I will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it." Being transparent though, there are some things in the past that I do regret, but can't go back to change. All I can do is to continue to learn from past mistakes (not to be repeated) and build on my successes.
Thanks for the genuine response.
Marcus
(atpwannabe)
The diagnosis itself is not necessarily disqualifying, but the history that established that diagnosis may be:
Decision Considerations - Aerospace Medical Dispositions
Item 47. Psychiatric Conditions - Personality Disorder
The category of personality disorders severe enough to have repeatedly manifested itself by overt acts refers to diagnosed personality disorders that involve what is called "acting out" behavior. These personality problems relate to poor social judgment, impulsivity, and disregard or antagonism toward authority, especially rules and regulations.
A history of long-standing behavioral problems, whether major (criminal) or relatively minor (truancy, military misbehavior, petty criminal and civil indiscretions, and social instability), usually occurs with these disorders. Driving infractions and previous failures to follow aviation regulations are critical examples of these acts.
Certain personality disorders and other mental disorders that include conditions of limited duration and/or widely varying severity may be disqualifying. Under this category, the FAA is especially concerned with significant depressive episodes requiring treatment, even outpatient therapy. If these episodes have been severe enough to cause some disruption of vocational or educational activity, or if they have required medication or involved suicidal ideation, the application should be deferred or denied issuance.
Some personality disorders and situational dysphorias may be considered disqualifying for a limited time. These include such conditions as gross immaturity and some personality disorders not involving or manifested by overt acts.
....
So yeah, if you actually seriously screwed up in life and demonstrated that you don't give a fly in' $;:@ if you hurt people, your odds aren't great. If you simply PO'd a single shrink, heck, 80% of shrinks would have been seriously PO's to find that you had voted for the winner in the 2016 presidential election, some willing to testify in court that you are sociopathic for doing so.
Besides, everyone is entitled to a second opinion.
Decision Considerations - Aerospace Medical Dispositions
Item 47. Psychiatric Conditions - Personality Disorder
The category of personality disorders severe enough to have repeatedly manifested itself by overt acts refers to diagnosed personality disorders that involve what is called "acting out" behavior. These personality problems relate to poor social judgment, impulsivity, and disregard or antagonism toward authority, especially rules and regulations.
A history of long-standing behavioral problems, whether major (criminal) or relatively minor (truancy, military misbehavior, petty criminal and civil indiscretions, and social instability), usually occurs with these disorders. Driving infractions and previous failures to follow aviation regulations are critical examples of these acts.
Certain personality disorders and other mental disorders that include conditions of limited duration and/or widely varying severity may be disqualifying. Under this category, the FAA is especially concerned with significant depressive episodes requiring treatment, even outpatient therapy. If these episodes have been severe enough to cause some disruption of vocational or educational activity, or if they have required medication or involved suicidal ideation, the application should be deferred or denied issuance.
Some personality disorders and situational dysphorias may be considered disqualifying for a limited time. These include such conditions as gross immaturity and some personality disorders not involving or manifested by overt acts.
....
So yeah, if you actually seriously screwed up in life and demonstrated that you don't give a fly in' $;:@ if you hurt people, your odds aren't great. If you simply PO'd a single shrink, heck, 80% of shrinks would have been seriously PO's to find that you had voted for the winner in the 2016 presidential election, some willing to testify in court that you are sociopathic for doing so.
Besides, everyone is entitled to a second opinion.
#7
Excargodog:
The FAA in DC/OKC had/has all of this information. When I got the denial letter from Drs. Chesanow, De Voll, and Tilton, man....I was crushed. Professionally, all I've ever wanted to do was become an airline pilot. If by chance the decision is reversed, in reality, I'll probably only have about 7-10 years of flying professionally, whether 91, 135, or 121. Preferably 91..."fly till you die". It'd be the best 7-10 years of my life!
I certainly appreciate and respect your explanation. Looking back, it's a bitter pill to swallow, however, I must and have taken ownership of all that's happened. In the words of the 9th step..."I will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it." Being transparent though, there are some things in the past that I do regret, but can't go back to change. All I can do is to continue to learn from past mistakes (not to be repeated) and build on my successes.
Thanks for the genuine response.
Marcus
(atpwannabe)
The FAA in DC/OKC had/has all of this information. When I got the denial letter from Drs. Chesanow, De Voll, and Tilton, man....I was crushed. Professionally, all I've ever wanted to do was become an airline pilot. If by chance the decision is reversed, in reality, I'll probably only have about 7-10 years of flying professionally, whether 91, 135, or 121. Preferably 91..."fly till you die". It'd be the best 7-10 years of my life!
I certainly appreciate and respect your explanation. Looking back, it's a bitter pill to swallow, however, I must and have taken ownership of all that's happened. In the words of the 9th step..."I will not regret the past nor wish to shut the door on it." Being transparent though, there are some things in the past that I do regret, but can't go back to change. All I can do is to continue to learn from past mistakes (not to be repeated) and build on my successes.
Thanks for the genuine response.
Marcus
(atpwannabe)
It won't be quick and it may not be cheap, but the whole world loves a reformed sinner. Makes us all feel there is hope for us too. So it just may happen.
But Penny's a great gal. She'll tell you if she thinks you have a reasonable shot. What the hell, it's only a phone call.
#9
I plan on following up on Excargodog's suggestion. If Dr. Giovanetti is able to help, then, I should be ok.
atp
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