Failed Medical- Does FAA Verify Information
06-21-2018, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Troymh
I failed a first-class med 4 years ago for being on Prozac. Fought it for a year and gave up. Fast forward, I want to fly professionally again. I'm honestly planning on being dishonest with the FAA on the medical history form. I learned 4 years ago that honesty can throw you into a bureaucratic-black-hole. Does anybody know if they'll look at past FAA exams?
You do understand that your medical application is a legal document, don't you?
Prohibitions against flying while on certain drugs or with certain conditions are not arbitrary. These come with a reason. Attempting to lie to get around those conditions is unwise; it's dangerous and shows very poor judgement. If you intend to be a professional pilot, you should know that we're paid for judgement, not just for operating the aircraft.
Your attitude is flippant, and argumentative, to say nothing of dismissive. You've asserted that it's okay to falsify your medical application on the grounds that other "do it all the time." You've stated that the USAF didn't care about your medication (or condition), and attempt to fiat that belief to the FAA's aeromedical standards, yet I'd find it very difficult to believe that you're facing denial of a medical certificate under FAA standards for which the USAF had no regard. What flight surgeon overlooked this condition and gave you a clean bill of health?
Yes, you absolutely do need to show clear of your problem and provide adequate documentation. This is not trivia. You've indicated that you wish to fly professionally "again." This suggests that you've flown professionally before, but your attitude is dangerous on several grounds, and is not professional.
I'd question the wisdom of entering in a public forum to make a declaration of your intent to falsify a government document. There are resources for assisting you with your medical certification. You may also wish to consult an attorney before leaving an electronic trail of admission and intent to deceive and falsify.
06-21-2018, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Troymh
Thank you for the information. It's clear that deception would be crazy. I haven't taken Prozac in years but I have to find a shrink to say I don't need it, then wait 6 months and somehow prove I haven't used it...go figure. They have all my VA records which contain PTSD stuff so I was hoping to avoid it coming up again. Think I'll keep my feet on the ground. Guess I've flown and seen enough. Thanks again.
06-21-2018, 06:25 AM
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No, it's not "just a bureaucracy."
These are medical standards that every one of us who flies professionally must meet on a regular basis, but far more important than simply obtaining the paper is the issue of safety and judgement. Thus far your posts have indicated glaring errors in both.
These are medical standards that every one of us who flies professionally must meet on a regular basis, but far more important than simply obtaining the paper is the issue of safety and judgement. Thus far your posts have indicated glaring errors in both.
06-21-2018, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
The USAF let you fly on Prozac? Knowingly? I don't believe it. What base and what aircraft?
06-21-2018, 07:58 AM
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Talk to AOPA and let them help you navigate the process. If you need a second opinion on how to go forward, pay for a service like AMAS, which is the company ALPA contracts with. A little up front leg work will help things progress smoother.
As others have said, avoid lying to the FAA. Best to be upfront about everything and let your conscience rest easy.
Cheers and good luck to you.
As others have said, avoid lying to the FAA. Best to be upfront about everything and let your conscience rest easy.
Cheers and good luck to you.
06-21-2018, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by WhisperJet
Talk to AOPA and let them help you navigate the process. If you need a second opinion on how to go forward, pay for a service like AMAS, which is the company ALPA contracts with. A little up front leg work will help things progress smoother.
As others have said, avoid lying to the FAA. Best to be upfront about everything and let your conscience rest easy.
Cheers and good luck to you.
As others have said, avoid lying to the FAA. Best to be upfront about everything and let your conscience rest easy.
Cheers and good luck to you.
06-21-2018, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Yes, your medical record is permanent, and yes, if you lie, you'll get caught, and not only is that grounds for revocation of your medical and pilot certification, but it's a federal offense.
You do understand that your medical application is a legal document, don't you?
Prohibitions against flying while on certain drugs or with certain conditions are not arbitrary. These come with a reason. Attempting to lie to get around those conditions is unwise; it's dangerous and shows very poor judgement. If you intend to be a professional pilot, you should know that we're paid for judgement, not just for operating the aircraft.
Your attitude is flippant, and argumentative, to say nothing of dismissive. You've asserted that it's okay to falsify your medical application on the grounds that other "do it all the time." You've stated that the USAF didn't care about your medication (or condition), and attempt to fiat that belief to the FAA's aeromedical standards, yet I'd find it very difficult to believe that you're facing denial of a medical certificate under FAA standards for which the USAF had no regard. What flight surgeon overlooked this condition and gave you a clean bill of health?
Yes, you absolutely do need to show clear of your problem and provide adequate documentation. This is not trivia. You've indicated that you wish to fly professionally "again." This suggests that you've flown professionally before, but your attitude is dangerous on several grounds, and is not professional.
I'd question the wisdom of entering in a public forum to make a declaration of your intent to falsify a government document. There are resources for assisting you with your medical certification. You may also wish to consult an attorney before leaving an electronic trail of admission and intent to deceive and falsify.
You do understand that your medical application is a legal document, don't you?
Prohibitions against flying while on certain drugs or with certain conditions are not arbitrary. These come with a reason. Attempting to lie to get around those conditions is unwise; it's dangerous and shows very poor judgement. If you intend to be a professional pilot, you should know that we're paid for judgement, not just for operating the aircraft.
Your attitude is flippant, and argumentative, to say nothing of dismissive. You've asserted that it's okay to falsify your medical application on the grounds that other "do it all the time." You've stated that the USAF didn't care about your medication (or condition), and attempt to fiat that belief to the FAA's aeromedical standards, yet I'd find it very difficult to believe that you're facing denial of a medical certificate under FAA standards for which the USAF had no regard. What flight surgeon overlooked this condition and gave you a clean bill of health?
Yes, you absolutely do need to show clear of your problem and provide adequate documentation. This is not trivia. You've indicated that you wish to fly professionally "again." This suggests that you've flown professionally before, but your attitude is dangerous on several grounds, and is not professional.
I'd question the wisdom of entering in a public forum to make a declaration of your intent to falsify a government document. There are resources for assisting you with your medical certification. You may also wish to consult an attorney before leaving an electronic trail of admission and intent to deceive and falsify.
06-21-2018, 09:05 AM
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Thank you Droopy. This is was invaluable.
Originally Posted by Droopy
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...al-application
https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/defaul...ony_july17.pdf
Pilot sentenced in Sacramento after using false documents to fly | The Sacramento Bee
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...-falsification
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...al-application
But do what you want...
The alternative is to get some help/advice from an aeromedical organization (AOPA is good, but there are others), figure out what the FAA requires, and do that.
https://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/defaul...ony_july17.pdf
Pilot sentenced in Sacramento after using false documents to fly | The Sacramento Bee
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...-falsification
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/...al-application
But do what you want...
The alternative is to get some help/advice from an aeromedical organization (AOPA is good, but there are others), figure out what the FAA requires, and do that.
06-21-2018, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Troymh
A-10 Incirlik. I appreciate everyone's feedback but I'm not going to entertain the troll sh*t and go off topic. Thanks, everyone. Sometimes it's useful to have people remind me "that's a really stupid thought". Point taken and appreciated.
06-21-2018, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Troymh
Wow. You should really try reading before responding. Maybe you wouldn't come across so self-righteous and ignorant.
I have a hard time taking anything you post serious because of your attitude.
So no, I’m not gonna put any effort in a helpful answer.
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