rickair7777

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METO Guido

Thanks Rickair, Meto abides. Pink button eyes on me right now, impassive little SOB.

Bumper

First of course the supplier is going to tell you it can’t be detected only benefits them if you buy it. Do you really know what your getting ?

Second my company sent out mass info regarding CBD usage after we had person test positive and claimed it was CBD legally purchased.

Third there are many other alternative medication you can take, your career isnt worth risking it.

pltdoc

FAA is putting out "no" to CBD products during its AME training. https://www.wingmanmed.com/meds maintains a good list of go/no-go FAA medication policies. I would recommend against CBD products under current circumstances.

TyWebb

Pltdoc,

what’s your opinion on what the DOT will do once cannabis is legal? According to the MORE act that was released prior to the Memorial Day weekend, even if it’s descheduled, it will still be at the discretion of the DOT and language still permits pilots and truckers to be restricted from use.

pltdoc

I think you'd still be rolling the dice. The only FDA approved CBD product currently available is Epidiolex which requires a prescription and is only approved for use with rare seizure conditions. The products you can purchase over-the-counter haven't undergone FDA scrutiny for quality control and may contain some amount of THC. From a practical standpoint, the FAA isn't testing for CBD so you MIGHT get away with using it, but they've been very clear that pilots who test positive for THC will not be shown any leniency if the source of the THC was a CBD product. I wouldn’t expect that policy to change. Unless there’s an FDA approved CBD product that becomes available for over-the-counter purchase at some point in the future, you’ll always be risking some level of trace THC in any product you buy regardless of the federal policy on cannabis.

METO Guido

Hemp (CBD), as authenticated thus far, roughly effective as copper bracelets for RX relief? Such that few if any cannabis users switch. An educated wag but, a growing contingent of all ages and backgrounds finding their needs better met on a reciprocal course. HR3884; Marijuana Opportunity Reinvestment Expungement (MORE). Bill to remove cannabis from its Controlled Substance Act (1970) schedule, including various convictions on that basis. Long overdue 1st step addressing the incontrovertible handicap that remains federal drug policy. Expired in the upper chamber after clearing the House 228/164 late last year. Awaiting passage in the current meeting for anticipated re-transfer to Senate floor, where it's still deemed a ratification long shot. Contact your beltway reps. Support rational legislative action, help legitimize government.

HIMS is the fence up to keep at risk FUI cases outside looking in. Peek at the objective & subjective criteria for assessing yardbirds. Define substance/abuse/dependence in their broadest sense. "Not guilty, ygbfsm." Then consider the program's on-going compliance agreement vis-à-vis your un-posed, after hours way of life, for lack of a better description. Airline culture is not unlike a manicured hedge. Pop out wild this way or that, snip. https://youtu.be/8uOy3WdT3mY

rickair7777

Just because the fed legalizes it, doesn't mean you can fly with it. Lots of legal meds and substances are no-go.

TyWebb

I agree but not all those prohibited legal meds are tested for and those that are in the panel of drugs that are scheduled. So if marijuana is de-scheduled where does that leave the DOT/FAA? Are they still going to test for it? As I mentioned above it would be different than lets say a valium, which would fail as a barbiturate (scheduled drug). So, if descheduled it would make it prohibited to safety-sensitive positions in more comparison with benadryl.? If so the only way to discover use would be disclosure to your AME or on the "Do not fly" honor system which is anything - may cause drowsiness or advises the user "be careful when driving a motor vehicle or operating machinery."

rickair7777

Far as I know the DOT can test for anything it needs to, scheduled or not. They'd just have to NPR 49 CFR 40.1 to make a change, or do nothing in the case of MJ.

I suspect their policy would be based on the most commonly abused substances... if MJ use is common, and people come to work afterwards then they'll test for it. Not aware of any law which says they can't test for legal substances... booze comes to mind.

Cost of the testing is relevant, they could test for hundreds of different things... but no point in spending a lot of money to test for something that's just not prevalent, ie bang for buck.