TyWebb

that’s a good point, I’m sure they can and would test for anything no matter of legality. The alcohol testing isn’t really apples to apples but I get the point you were making. Alcohol testing is very different than thc testing.

METO Guido

Not inconceivable regulatory windows could eventually squeak open enough that working pilots, dispatchers, A&P's etc. will gain legal access on non-duty time. If so, the planet will likely keep turning. The question remains, as happy hour winds down, what comes next? There's no perfect resolution. No ruling out all possible circumstances under which a human might lose control, going solely from their stills. While waiting, here's a CBD you may try now that sits beyond the long reach of club fed; Citrus oil, Bitters sugar, Dickel rye.
https://youtu.be/cI6v858LeTU

rickair7777

Legal (federal legal) recreational weed would likely be allowed eventually IF...

1) They can come up with a (reliable and cost-effective) test that corresponds to current impairment, as opposed to what they use now which detects metabolites that linger for many weeks. I know people are working on that, not sure how far along they are.

2) There's sufficient documented evidence that regular use doesn't result in long-term cognitive impairment... we all know it does, it's just a matter of degree and where and how they draw the line.

Yes you can say the same for booze but humanity (most but not all ethnic groups) has actually evolved to tolerate and even thrive with alcohol consumption. Otherwise tee-totaling cultures would rule the world, and they clearly don't. Quite the opposite in fact.

If alcohol had just become a thing 20 years ago, it would almost certainly be illegal and for good reason... it would be very addictive and unhealthy to non-adapted humans. Also most cultures including ours have alcohol pretty well baked into social constructs so it was never really an option for the FAA to ban it for pilots (see prohibition for more insight).

METO Guido

Big pool you're diving into there. Swimmers from every socio-economic (racial, educational, professional & political) stripe represented. No two casting ripples exactly the same way. Crewmembers are trained to place resources and decision making above excuses. Because there aren't any. Provided safeguard mechanisms are proven sound, and so far so good, there should be little issue with having choice over recreational substances legal for the culture at large. Interesting point about depression era prohibition, didn't work.

JohnBurke

That's not the only way to discover use.

Be involved in a mishap. Maybe bent metal, maybe a lot of things, that draw scrutiny.

A number of 91 operators have drug tests pursuant to the hiring process. I've worked for several employers who did just that. The results that come back aren't constrained by DOT minimum standards, nor are the companies that test for metabolites beholden to a list of prohibited items or thresholds. I worked for a military contractor, for example, who required a drug test because the military required it of the contractor. The company did random testing, prehire screening, a yearly test, and on-demand testing, plus any mishap carried the requirement. I flew for a government contracted operation where I experienced an engine failure with a forced landing. The federal investigators who showed up weren't FAA or NTSB, and they wanted drug and alcohol test results, which I made sure I had done immediately following the forced landing.

In any event, anything which draws scrutiny opens one up to the big picture view. It's true that one can get away with a lot, possibly for a long time, until one gets caught. Until something happens. Until someone looks closer.

METO Guido

Ironic this topic under Pilot Health. Dead nuts on though. Dependence, codependence, all the intricate pieces that fall together to make you, you. Scarcely a counselor. But if it's routine, deception lurks. Eyes only. No need to fret over the tab. Substance habits get paid in full, always. https://youtu.be/0moo4X2pKTw

airbus300

Legal but largely unregulated substances like CBD are also complicating the landscape.

In 2015, a commercial truck driver of nearly 30 years sued the cannabis brand Dixie after he failed a random DOT drug test. Douglas Horn was working as an over-the-road hazmat driver when he consumed a CBD product advertised as having 0 percent THC, according to the complaint. He was fired after flunking the test and had trouble finding similar employment.

After a lower court dismissed most of his claims, Horn is appealing his case to the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Another truck driver, Trevor Darrow, said he took CBD gummies labeled “no THC” and ended up being fired from his job for failing a drug test. He sued the manufacturer and eventually settled.

Biden, at a recent White House event, made it clear that the U.S. needs more truckers, saying that they “are the people that literally make [the country] run.”

“I have nothing against investment bankers,” Biden said, while noting that “they could all retire and nothing much would change.” He told the drivers: “You all quit, everything comes to a halt.”

Excargodog

I’m always intrigued by people who say something like “all the ingredients are natural, which attracted me.” Strychnine is natural. Deadly nightshade is natural. Horse$hit is natural.

Hopefully, since this is your first posting, you are only a troll who is trying to get a reaction, and not really as stupid as you come across…

TransWorld

There was an old ad that used to run. “Without chemicals, life itself would be impossible.” It was either Dow or DuPont.

rickair7777

So is plutonium.

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