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Old 09-14-2022, 11:26 AM
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Per your attachment. Thank you for reporting it Col.
We all know the FAA can be arcane and clumsy, especially with regards to medical certification. They base a lot of their decisions off of medical knowledge and practices 30 years old, and I wonder how many FAA docs in OKC are really up to date. But they're starting to get with the program, as slow and painful as it is. I'm reporting because I think I still stand a decent chance, and if I lied about it I'd always be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my career, which isn't how I want to spend it.
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..if I lied about it I'd always be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my career, which isn't how I want to spend it.
No, you don't. Nor 'should' you have a need to.

Airmen, less perfect ones like me that is, don't necessarily always DO what's required. Specifically, when the cure is worse than non-compliance. Crewmembers at every major airline take their own lives every year. More than gets attention. Anyone even track what part of these cases untreated depression is clinical?
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Old 09-14-2022, 11:58 AM
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But the FAA has updated its regulations with certain diseases, depression being one of them, and they will allow pilots to fly even if they currently take anti-depressants.
Reading comprehension is key. Yes, the FAA will issue a medical certificate while you are on certain medications, AFTER a minimum of 12 months of established history on the medication.

If you're off the medication, you'll need to establish a track record and history to demonstrate function without the medication. Think about it.

Again, this is NOT something you should navigate on your own.
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Old 09-14-2022, 12:03 PM
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Where did you find that table? It's one I haven't come across yet. I've been reading through 67.401 and looking at the FAAs guide for AMEs though. There's also a SODA listed in 67.401, and if my condition is "static", I wonder if I'd be eligible for one of those. It really doesn't matter in the long run, since SI or not it shouldn't be a big hurdle to getting hired as rickair mentions. Might take the FAA 2-3 months to pick up a deferred 1C application, but if I do apply to the regionals I'm looking at least 6 months out so I can study up and get current, so that should be plenty of time to get the paperwork going. What I'm interested in is how much ADDITIONAL time, if any, it takes to grant an SI, vs a SODA, vs a regular approval if they're satisfied with me and my doc's paperwork. And if a HIMS Ame were required plus additional psych testing, what I might be looking at in additional costs. I bring up HIMS because the FAA puts depression in the same category of illnesses as substance dependence, and if I understand the regs right, pilots who fly while currently taking SSRIs have to see a HIMS Ame, even if they don't touch booze or drugs.
https://youtu.be/FebHBtwezwE

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/media/SituationalDepression.pdf



Because your condition lasted longer than six months the AME will not be able to issue, your case MUST be referred to FAA Med standards folks at OKC. Whether they will issue a SI at all, as well as what the timing might be for such issuance is dependent upon the specific facts of your case, the quality of the recommendations by your treating physician, and the skill and experience of the AME putting it in to the system.

My guess - and it’s only that - is that it will not be quick, not be cheap, and no guarantee of eventual success. It’s a big CYA bureaucracy and can proceed with glacial-like speed at times. I wish it were different for you, but I doubt that it will be.
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Old 09-14-2022, 01:29 PM
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Again, this is NOT something you should navigate on your own.
Nor do I plan to. I'm in the early stages of preparation and just collecting as much data as I can, kind of like I was writing a research paper, which I have a fair share of experience in. I already know an AME will have to defer the application, and I also know the FAA wants to see as much documentation and letters from docs as you can possibly provide. Applications that get sent without sufficient paperwork will only be delayed further and that's the part I'm trying to avoid. I'm also not going to fork over thousands to a place like Leftseat to "speed my application through", when I think the claim is false, costs too much, and something that me, my doctor, and AME can put together ourselves. I do appreciate your input though, and in no way do I expect this to be a cake walk.
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Old 09-14-2022, 01:31 PM
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I wish it were different for you, but I doubt that it will be.
Thanks for those links, man. Yeah, it's not going to be a walk in the park.
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Old 09-14-2022, 01:51 PM
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No, you don't. Nor 'should' you have a need to.

Airmen, less perfect ones like me that is, don't necessarily always DO what's required. Specifically, when the cure is worse than non-compliance. Crewmembers at every major airline take their own lives every year. More than gets attention. Anyone even track what part of these cases untreated depression is clinical?
Indeed, that is true. I myself have no idea what the suicide rate is for pilots, it's a job that can be high stress but I don't see flying as a profession on any list known for high suicide rates... like for doctors and some other white collar jobs. After the Germanwings thing the heat is definitely up on mental health, including depression. What the FAA and other aviation authorities don't get (yet) is people like Andreas Lubitz had more than a serious case of depression going on. Depressed people don't do mass murder along with it, and though we may never know, Lubitz probably had a case of PSYCHOTIC depression and other co-morbid features. Psychotic means you hallucinate and/or have delusions. Lucky for me, mine never got nearly that bad, but it was bad enough it took some flying years away and definitely some skin off my back.
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Old 09-14-2022, 03:42 PM
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Nor do I plan to. I'm in the early stages of preparation and just collecting as much data as I can, kind of like I was writing a research paper, which I have a fair share of experience in. I already know an AME will have to defer the application, and I also know the FAA wants to see as much documentation and letters from docs as you can possibly provide. Applications that get sent without sufficient paperwork will only be delayed further and that's the part I'm trying to avoid. I'm also not going to fork over thousands to a place like Leftseat to "speed my application through", when I think the claim is false, costs too much, and something that me, my doctor, and AME can put together ourselves. I do appreciate your input though, and in no way do I expect this to be a cake walk.
I highly recommend using AMAS or another reputable complex-case AME. Many AMEs aren't familiar with the intricacies of all the FAA protocols. The good complex-case ones will know exactly what the FAA needs to see and will put all the packet together BEFORE you ever get an exam done and deferral. That way only one submission needs to take place without a lot of back and forth and wasting more time.
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Old 09-14-2022, 03:57 PM
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I highly recommend using AMAS or another reputable complex-case AME. Many AMEs aren't familiar with the intricacies of all the FAA protocols. The good complex-case ones will know exactly what the FAA needs to see and will put all the packet together BEFORE you ever get an exam done and deferral. That way only one submission needs to take place without a lot of back and forth and wasting more time.
Thanks. AMAS... that's a newer service I've heard about but not familiar with, and if I hear good things, maybe try them. Doesn't AOPA have something too? Re AMEs... yeah I will definitely seek out a HIMS one. While mine isn't technically a HIMS case, they'd at least be lots more familiar with what the FAA will want, and about SIs in general.
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Thanks. AMAS... that's a newer service I've heard about but not familiar with, and if I hear good things, maybe try them. Doesn't AOPA have something too?
AMAS has been around for a long time, by another name. They have also been the ALPA medical consultants for a long time. Probably more relevant for 1C than AOPA.

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Re AMEs... yeah I will definitely seek out a HIMS one. While mine isn't technically a HIMS case, they'd at least be lots more familiar with what the FAA will want, and about SIs in general.
If you don't have any *documented* substance issues, I wouldn't worry about HIMS. In fact I'd probably stay far away.
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