Past depression history...chances?
#11
We all know the FAA can be arcane and clumsy, especially with regards to medical certification. They base a lot of their decisions off of medical knowledge and practices 30 years old, and I wonder how many FAA docs in OKC are really up to date. But they're starting to get with the program, as slow and painful as it is. I'm reporting because I think I still stand a decent chance, and if I lied about it I'd always be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my career, which isn't how I want to spend it.
#12
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Airmen, less perfect ones like me that is, don't necessarily always DO what's required. Specifically, when the cure is worse than non-compliance. Crewmembers at every major airline take their own lives every year. More than gets attention. Anyone even track what part of these cases untreated depression is clinical?
#13
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If you're off the medication, you'll need to establish a track record and history to demonstrate function without the medication. Think about it.
Again, this is NOT something you should navigate on your own.
#14
Where did you find that table? It's one I haven't come across yet. I've been reading through 67.401 and looking at the FAAs guide for AMEs though. There's also a SODA listed in 67.401, and if my condition is "static", I wonder if I'd be eligible for one of those. It really doesn't matter in the long run, since SI or not it shouldn't be a big hurdle to getting hired as rickair mentions. Might take the FAA 2-3 months to pick up a deferred 1C application, but if I do apply to the regionals I'm looking at least 6 months out so I can study up and get current, so that should be plenty of time to get the paperwork going. What I'm interested in is how much ADDITIONAL time, if any, it takes to grant an SI, vs a SODA, vs a regular approval if they're satisfied with me and my doc's paperwork. And if a HIMS Ame were required plus additional psych testing, what I might be looking at in additional costs. I bring up HIMS because the FAA puts depression in the same category of illnesses as substance dependence, and if I understand the regs right, pilots who fly while currently taking SSRIs have to see a HIMS Ame, even if they don't touch booze or drugs.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/media/SituationalDepression.pdf
Because your condition lasted longer than six months the AME will not be able to issue, your case MUST be referred to FAA Med standards folks at OKC. Whether they will issue a SI at all, as well as what the timing might be for such issuance is dependent upon the specific facts of your case, the quality of the recommendations by your treating physician, and the skill and experience of the AME putting it in to the system.
My guess - and it’s only that - is that it will not be quick, not be cheap, and no guarantee of eventual success. It’s a big CYA bureaucracy and can proceed with glacial-like speed at times. I wish it were different for you, but I doubt that it will be.
#15
Nor do I plan to. I'm in the early stages of preparation and just collecting as much data as I can, kind of like I was writing a research paper, which I have a fair share of experience in. I already know an AME will have to defer the application, and I also know the FAA wants to see as much documentation and letters from docs as you can possibly provide. Applications that get sent without sufficient paperwork will only be delayed further and that's the part I'm trying to avoid. I'm also not going to fork over thousands to a place like Leftseat to "speed my application through", when I think the claim is false, costs too much, and something that me, my doctor, and AME can put together ourselves. I do appreciate your input though, and in no way do I expect this to be a cake walk.
#17
No, you don't. Nor 'should' you have a need to.
Airmen, less perfect ones like me that is, don't necessarily always DO what's required. Specifically, when the cure is worse than non-compliance. Crewmembers at every major airline take their own lives every year. More than gets attention. Anyone even track what part of these cases untreated depression is clinical?
Airmen, less perfect ones like me that is, don't necessarily always DO what's required. Specifically, when the cure is worse than non-compliance. Crewmembers at every major airline take their own lives every year. More than gets attention. Anyone even track what part of these cases untreated depression is clinical?
#18
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Nor do I plan to. I'm in the early stages of preparation and just collecting as much data as I can, kind of like I was writing a research paper, which I have a fair share of experience in. I already know an AME will have to defer the application, and I also know the FAA wants to see as much documentation and letters from docs as you can possibly provide. Applications that get sent without sufficient paperwork will only be delayed further and that's the part I'm trying to avoid. I'm also not going to fork over thousands to a place like Leftseat to "speed my application through", when I think the claim is false, costs too much, and something that me, my doctor, and AME can put together ourselves. I do appreciate your input though, and in no way do I expect this to be a cake walk.
#19
I highly recommend using AMAS or another reputable complex-case AME. Many AMEs aren't familiar with the intricacies of all the FAA protocols. The good complex-case ones will know exactly what the FAA needs to see and will put all the packet together BEFORE you ever get an exam done and deferral. That way only one submission needs to take place without a lot of back and forth and wasting more time.
#20
If you don't have any *documented* substance issues, I wouldn't worry about HIMS. In fact I'd probably stay far away.
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