FAA changes EKG paramaters?
01-21-2023, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
So for the ignorant, lazy or senile. Did the FAA tighten or loosen the standards?
ALPA and FAA publish misinformation
01-23-2023, 05:31 PM
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Not sure why this thread has been moved to a COVID “misinformation” section. Looks like the FAA did indeed change the parameters for the PR interval. As a paramedic for over 25 years, the PR interval has ALWAYS been .2ms. Anything greater is considered a first degree AV (atrioventricular) block. This anomaly is usually benign and produces no symptoms. But should it be “ignored” and parameters changed?? I wouldn’t think that’s appropriate, but I’m no doctor. I simply find this suspicious. Just my take on a complicated subject.
01-23-2023, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by johnwick
Not sure why this thread has been moved to a COVID “misinformation” section. Looks like the FAA did indeed change the parameters for the PR interval. As a paramedic for over 25 years, the PR interval has ALWAYS been .2ms. Anything greater is considered a first degree AV (atrioventricular) block. This anomaly is usually benign and produces no symptoms. But should it be “ignored” and parameters changed?? I wouldn’t think that’s appropriate, but I’m no doctor. I simply find this suspicious. Just my take on a complicated subject.
1. The state of the art has advanced re. PR interval.
2. 300 msec is the medical threshold for "significant" deviation.
FAA certification standards are not always as stringent as "medically normally". One of many examples is blood pressure. Many of us are higher than 120/80 but still hold a 1C. People flying on SSRI's are certainly not "medically normal" but they still get to fly.
In the Navy they used to have us do pushups before the ECG, since athletes tended to have higher PR intervals and getting our HR up a bit would smooth it out long enough to get a "clean" ECG that the doc could rubber stamp.
01-26-2023, 07:42 AM
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I believe the FAA has considered a PR Interval >.2 but < .3 normal for a while now, so long as there are no additional issues. They've simply given the ability for AMEs to issue a 1C on the spot instead of going through the FSDO/OKC.
So did they actually change the criteria? Well yes, but also no.
FAA poster on Normal "Abnormal" ECG readings (bottom right for relevant chart):
https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pi...Poster_508.pdf
So did they actually change the criteria? Well yes, but also no.
FAA poster on Normal "Abnormal" ECG readings (bottom right for relevant chart):
https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pi...Poster_508.pdf
Last edited by GreatBigSea; 01-26-2023 at 07:46 AM. Reason: added link
01-26-2023, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
The FAA makes it easier to keep one's medical and pilots ***** about it. Go figure.
I'm on a cardiac SI because of a vaccine reaction by the way. Anthrax 20 years ago.
01-26-2023, 09:41 AM
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You don't have to re-do anything; the parameter has been expanded, not restricted...unless you no longer need the special issuance...in which case you have zero cause to ***** about anything, do you?
As for the anthrax vaccine causing your condition, bull ****.
Ranks right up there with those who claimed agent orange caused theirs. More vaccine conspiracy stupidity.
I got the anthrax vaccine too, along with every other vaccine known to mankind. This fox news conspiracy-minded mentality has got to stop.
As for the anthrax vaccine causing your condition, bull ****.
Ranks right up there with those who claimed agent orange caused theirs. More vaccine conspiracy stupidity.
I got the anthrax vaccine too, along with every other vaccine known to mankind. This fox news conspiracy-minded mentality has got to stop.
01-26-2023, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
You don't have to re-do anything; the parameter has been expanded, not restricted...unless you no longer need the special issuance...in which case you have zero cause to ***** about anything, do you?
As for the anthrax vaccine causing your condition, bull ****.
Ranks right up there with those who claimed agent orange caused theirs. More vaccine conspiracy stupidity.
I got the anthrax vaccine too, along with every other vaccine known to mankind. This fox news conspiracy-minded mentality has got to stop.
As for the anthrax vaccine causing your condition, bull ****.
Ranks right up there with those who claimed agent orange caused theirs. More vaccine conspiracy stupidity.
I got the anthrax vaccine too, along with every other vaccine known to mankind. This fox news conspiracy-minded mentality has got to stop.
I don't take vaccines without weighing the cost/benefit, it's not zero risk. I haven't had any covid boosters because I acquired hybrid immunity and should still be in the window for that. I'll continue to evaluate as time passes and we acquire more data on immunity duration. I've had close household exposure (for days) to omicron on three separate occasions over the last year and haven't felt a thing.
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