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Old 01-26-2023, 10:16 AM
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You don't have to re-do anything; the parameter has been expanded, not restricted...unless you no longer need the special issuance...in which case you have zero cause to ***** about anything, do you?

As for the anthrax vaccine causing your condition, bull ****.

Ranks right up there with those who claimed agent orange caused theirs. More vaccine conspiracy stupidity.

I got the anthrax vaccine too, along with every other vaccine known to mankind. This fox news conspiracy-minded mentality has got to stop.
This individual's FAA medical status is matter between him and his AME. I'm sure that he is more than capable to navigate the system. I will say that I was initially concerned about this "change", but after doing some research, this appears to have been in the pipeline for several years now. It is my understanding that the US Military has been using this parameter (PR Interval up to 0.3ms) for some time now.

As far as the ability for vaccines to cause injury, that is a well-documented condition (not necessarily the Anthrax vaccine), not "conspiracy theory" The instances are albeit quite low, but not non-existent.
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Old 01-26-2023, 10:55 AM
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You don't have to re-do anything; the parameter has been expanded, not restricted...unless you no longer need the special issuance...in which case you have zero cause to ***** about anything, do you?

As for the anthrax vaccine causing your condition, bull ****.

Ranks right up there with those who claimed agent orange caused theirs. More vaccine conspiracy stupidity.

I got the anthrax vaccine too, along with every other vaccine known to mankind. This fox news conspiracy-minded mentality has got to stop.
You mean ending up in the hospital within 24hr of a Anthrax Shot, having it entered in my medical as such, then having to get a NAMI waiver (the first one approved in my age range) and fighting the FAA for years and close to $20k spent when I was an O-2E getting my FAA medical back is all conspiracy theory?

Logic and FAA aren't one in the same. Im still out of normal EKG standards but my AME told me not to be shocked if I get a denial this time because my SI has to be reevaluated when standards or my EKG change.

And i see a specialist AME for my SI, and also have been worjingworking with AMAS.

I'm 50/50 at best walking out of my next medical without either further testing needed or getting a medical under the "AME may isssue a medical good for xx days" and then gatting an emergency revocation of my medical when a FAA doc doesn't like it. Then its 3-6 months out of work, a ton of testing not covered by insurance and a general pain in my ass.
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Old 01-26-2023, 12:09 PM
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The permissive standard of the medical certification expanded. That does not result in a denial. It's a more liberal standard.

What the military considers a disability and the rest of the world recognizes as a disability, are two very different things.

Then again, what the military diagnoses, and what the truth may be, are often quite different things, as you should well know.
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Old 01-26-2023, 12:26 PM
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The permissive standard of the medical certification expanded. That does not result in a denial. It's a more liberal standard.

What the military considers a disability and the rest of the world recognizes as a disability, are two very different things.

Then again, what the military diagnoses, and what the truth may be, are often quite different things, as you should well know.
Oh, you mean the cardiac condition that almost killed me at 23 and by any actuarial standard took a decade off my life. And makes it so I can't get life insurance at reasonable rates?

I'd trade my imaginary cardiac condition and the entire contents of my 401k to not have it.

And unless you have been through my SI and all the crazy stuff I had to get my medical back and keep it, you can stuff it.

And the actual wording of my SI has ANY change in the cardiac standards triggering a mandatory review.

But hey, paying for a $15k study where I have to run while wired up and with various drugs to stress my heart is no big deal, right? I mean it's not like it affects you.

But it's not a real disability or medical condition.

Pray you never have to deal with this. I was legally dead 3 times.
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Old 01-26-2023, 12:50 PM
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Oh, and since you brought up Agent Orange, my father died from a relatively rare brain disease, whose incidence in Agent Orange exposed personnel was on the order of 40x the normal population incidence of it, when controlling for other risk factors. So yes, the military does sometimes screw up, and screw up bad saying something is safe, when it's not and then only admit they are wrong years after the fact, if ever.
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I'd trade my imaginary cardiac condition and the entire contents of my 401k to not have it.
Bear in mind that one person in this thread has stated that your condition is imaginary. That person is YOU. No one else. Just you.

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Oh, and since you brought up Agent Orange, my father died from a relatively rare brain disease, whose incidence in Agent Orange exposed personnel was on the order of 40x the normal population incidence of it, when controlling for other risk factors. So yes, the military does sometimes screw up, and screw up bad saying something is safe, when it's not and then only admit they are wrong years after the fact, if ever.
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Sorry for your fathers loss.

As someone who grew up working with 2,4,5-T ("agent orange"), and numerous variants, who was frequently soaked throiugh to his underwear in it, for months on end, at FAR greater an exposure rate than anyone in Southeast Asia ever remotely saw, along with a LOT of other chemicals with far, far greater LD-50 ratings and much higher toxicity, the entire agent orange saga is bull****.

That does not diminish from your fathers loss, and just as no one said that your condition is imaginary (other than you, of course), no one, including myself, is diminishing your father's loss or his condition.

Anyone that ties such to "agent orange," like so many other issues that have been blamed on the government, coverups, and vaccines, conspiracies, is wrong.

We can sit down over a drink some time and talk about the same loud claims made over the application of glyphosate on cash crops south of here; the same claims are equally bull****, as is the blaming of every condition that comes along, and the FAA's adjustment of present intervals and standards in the medical, on vaccines, the government, and the deep, dark, conspiracy world. I have a little insight into some of that, which the masses may not have.
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Old 01-26-2023, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
Bear in mind that one person in this thread has stated that your condition is imaginary. That person is YOU. No one else. Just you.




Sorry for your fathers loss.

As someone who grew up working with 2,4,5-T ("agent orange"), and numerous variants, who was frequently soaked throiugh to his underwear in it, for months on end, at FAR greater an exposure rate than anyone in Southeast Asia ever remotely saw, along with a LOT of other chemicals with far, far greater LD-50 ratings and much higher toxicity, the entire agent orange saga is bull****.

That does not diminish from your fathers loss, and just as no one said that your condition is imaginary (other than you, of course), no one, including myself, is diminishing your father's loss or his condition.

Anyone that ties such to "agent orange," like so many other issues that have been blamed on the government, coverups, and vaccines, conspiracies, is wrong.

We can sit down over a drink some time and talk about the same loud claims made over the application of glyphosate on cash crops south of here; the same claims are equally bull****, as is the blaming of every condition that comes along, and the FAA's adjustment of present intervals and standards in the medical, on vaccines, the government, and the deep, dark, conspiracy world. I have a little insight into some of that, which the masses may not have.
Did you not say what the military considers a disability and the rest of the world considers a disability are not the same thing? I get a whopping 10% for my cardiac condition. Woop dee freaking doo. I get more disability for breaking my collarbone crashing my dirtbike while on mobilization orders.

I'm of the opinion that there may be a genetic component to Agent Orange and other dioxins wrecking your health such as there are some people who chain smoke from 12 until they get hit by a bus at age 97 but as a group, heavy smoking correlates with increased lung cancer risk.

But then again, I saw my dad and two friends from his Army unit die of the same, rare brain disease. None smoked, none did drugs, none drank excessive alcohol.

I worked in the Analysis Cell for the Navy's COVID-19 response as I have a background as a math geek, statistic and data modeling with a lot of flyid dynamic modeling. I frankly don't trust them to not bury bad data (as in makes them look bad vs not collected without error or bias) having been around while the 3/4 stars and SES / Undersecretary types were making decisions. Then told us to make the data support their decision.

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Old 01-26-2023, 04:14 PM
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Did you not say what the military considers a disability and the rest of the world considers a disability are not the same thing?
This is exciting. You can read. Congratulations.

I did not, however, say that your condition is imaginary. YOU said that. Your disability, it turns out, is reading comprehension.
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Old 01-26-2023, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
This is exciting. You can read. Congratulations.

I did not, however, say that your condition is imaginary. YOU said that. Your disability, it turns out, is reading comprehension.
I can comprehend quite fine. You know damn well where your initial intent with your first reply to me was and now you are trying to ****weasel out of it.
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One person said your condition is imaginary. YOU.

I did correctly state that what the world considers a disability, and what the military considers a disability, are not the same thing. Perhaps you don't understand this, but I don't think you're that dense.

I do know exactly what my intent was in my first reply to you: let's not forget that YOU quoted ME. I responded to YOU quoting ME.

I correctly stated that the permissive interval has expanded. Not contracted. Because the medical standard is expanded, it does not imply that you must re-do your special issuance.

You are being obtuse. Your skin is thin; take care not to rupture it.
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