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09-15-2010, 07:38 AM

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30west

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Dutch police can, by their laws, and have been randomly breathalyzing crews whether there was suspicion or not.

I think all these incidents bring up the point that we have no guidelines internationally what to do or not to do in these situations. I do know in the US that ALPA has worked with the FAA and our different companies on who, how and for what reasons we get tested. Those are good things.

But, when we are in all these different foreign countries I have no knowledge on where the line in the sand is, who is allowed to give the test, if the equipment is up to US standards, and I haven't even brought up the subject that a US flagged aircraft is US soil and once the crew is on the aircraft the captain has to invite authorities on the jet.

Anyone ever seen a document addressing these things?

09-15-2010, 07:44 AM

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Bill Lumberg

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What time was the departure from AMS to EWR? Wasn't it in the early afternoon? If he had over a .02, then when would he have stopped drinking?

09-15-2010, 10:57 AM

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What time was the departure from AMS to EWR? Wasn't it in the early afternoon? If he had over a .02, then when would he have stopped drinking?

The Europe- US flights usually leave in the morning.. like 10am or so.

Legally he would have had to have stopped drinking around 0100 local or earlier probably.

09-15-2010, 11:54 AM

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The flight leaves about 2 PM.

Come on ppl go get on the internet and put in AMS-EWR. There is only one flight a day.

09-15-2010, 12:13 PM

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I think all these incidents bring up the point that we have no guidelines internationally what to do or not to do in these situations.

Perhaps we should endeavor to have 0.00 BAC when we show up to fly. That makes it more or less moot.

09-15-2010, 12:26 PM

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At the hearing to try and get your license back, I don't think you'll get farther that an Administrative Law Judge wetting his Depends from laughter if you try to use the, "Captain has to invite authorities on the jet" as an excuse. Law enforcement does not need your permission if they suspect a crime has been or is about to be committed.

Bottom line is that it doesn't matter what the company policy is or what country you are in. You don't drink while on a trip. Save it for when you get home. If you need one that bad, it's time to rethink your priorities.

09-15-2010, 01:14 PM

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...who is allowed to give the test, if the equipment is up to US standards...

Anyone ever seen a document addressing these things?

One, I hope he's REALLY innocent.
Two, instrument calibration might be an issue.

09-15-2010, 01:25 PM

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DFW;
If not it works in our favor. Either way, it is for ppl way above our pay grade to figure out.

09-15-2010, 03:12 PM

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The flight leaves about 2 PM.

Come on ppl go get on the internet and put in AMS-EWR. There is only one flight a day.

It does and having been on a layover with the person involved, I am shocked. We flew a Cairo trip together and he was the B capt.

09-15-2010, 06:03 PM

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30west

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First, innocent until proven guilty. Second, do a little experiment I got to see at a law symposium, take the adult dose of Nyquil wait 45 mins and watch as you blow .02 on a portable BAC. I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm saying there are reasons (legal) that the FAA came up with .04 as the standard. Third, what about the training and equipment from the person giving the BAC test? Are they trained according to FAA guidelines? Ask the Virgin Atlantic pilot that tested .02 but when he insisted on a blood draw at the station it came back as .00. Later it came out that his ultra low carb diet producing ketones causing a .02 but not an .04. I know I want to know what I'm required to do or not to do. You might want to research that authorities will come on the plane when they want to theory.