Cubdriver

My understanding is the FAA checks the NDR (National Driver Registry) when anyone applies for an aviation medical. My guess is after you go to the AME, within a few days it hits the FAA inbox and at that point they'll know it if about anything nasty exists in your NDL. When they choose to act on it is less than clear of course, and given that 4,000 FAA personnel got laid off last week I doubt they are working on it at the moment.

atpwannabe

O contraire mon frere.

When I was denied the unrestricted 1st class medical and decide to challenge the decision using the appeal process through the NTSB, the Chief Counsel of the FAA contacted me and asked me about certain events that had occured in my life. I'm speaking specifics.

Not trying to be a know-it-all. Fortunately or unfortunately, I've experienced that process.



atp

Flutter

atpwannabe..

Not real familiar with your situation. I know you've posted quite a bit about it. Wasn't your medical denied for something you originally disclosed on the application?? I really don't know. But you are referring to a full-scale investigation during an appeal process. That is different from an ordinary medical application.

The problem I see with your theory is... say I got a DUI, which I did. I disclosed it and jumped through all the hoops with the Oke City deferral process, etc and eventually got my medical. But suppose I just decided not to disclose the DUI. Are you saying I would have been fine, even if the FAA knew about it?? Is the FAA really gonna wait for me to disclose it if they already know? Theoretically, I continue year after year answering in the negative, and the FAA never makes a move because I haven't brought it up. I really don't think it works like that.

Cubdriver....

I don't believe "the FAA checks the NDR (National Driver Registry) when anyone applies for an aviation medical." I don't think they have the resources to check EVERY application. Your signature on the application is consent for them to search, but I believe the process is a random sample.

You more or less touched on this probability, as you point out in your post that the FAA is severly understaffed. And according to atpwannabe's theory, it would be futile to check every application because they're just gonna wait for you to bring it up anyway.

atpwannabe

No, the FAA wouldn't be fine with that.

What I am saying is this; since he did lie on the initial app by not disclosing the negligent driving charge and subsequent DL license suspension and being that he is applying or wants to re-apply for his medical certification, more than likely the FAA already knows about the DUI. I wouldn't put it past them. Whether the medical appeals office does the investigation or the legal department....apples to oranges....they know about it!


JMO.


atp

Flutter

So, you're saying if a pilot gets a DUI, the FAA knows about it. However, they won't act on it until you bring it up first.

Say you don't 'bring it up first'... what happens then?

atpwannabe

I'm not saying that the FAA has real-time updates in terms of someone's driving or criminal record. Remember, "good moral character" is one the listed requirements for a 1st Class medical. That principle is probably extrapolated to all medicals. Being forthright speaks to one's character and integrity.

IMHO, once you're on their radar or "red flagged" and a request is submitted for reconsideration for a medical or license of some sort, I believe they recheck your DL and criminal records.



atp

Flutter

I believe this, too. But you claim the FAA waits for you to bring it up. My question is, what if you don't bring it up?? What happens? What are the consequences??

If they are only waiting for you to bring it up, and you don't bring it up, then it's not brought up??

atpwannabe

Yes, if in fact reconsideration for again either a medical cert or license and an additional "legal entanglement" has occured. Remember.....remember.....remember...."good moral character" is a requirement for (any) medical. Take the high road. Be forthright with information.


If the additional "legal entanglement" isn't bought up by you and they found out during a subsequent review of your records, then it's viewed as being dishonest, falsifying information and trying to conceal something. The consequences you ask? You run the risk of being denied any type of certification or licensing.

Sooner or later, it'll be found out; whether through investigation or guilty conscience.



atp

Flutter

So, the FAA is not just gonna wait for you to bring it up. I agree with this... that it will be found out, even if you choose not to bring it up first, and you will suffer the consequences.

Point being, don't lead others to believe the FAA will just wait for you to 'bring it up first'. Because, as you point out, they will find out. And when they do, they will let you know about it.

ArcherDvr

If you do manage to get your medical and your licenses back, I believe you will be able to find a job instructing. Eventually you may be able to go to an airline, but don't count on it for at least 5 years and maybe even more realistically 10 years. I have some experience with this and the big issue for most airlines is not the DUI itself (once some time has past), but the inability to go to Canada. That being said I do not know how they would feel about two DUI's or a DUI and a license suspension. My feeling is that if you are willing to instruct for 5 to 10 years, you may have a shot, but you'd better keep everything clean during that time.