Expired First Class
05-24-2015, 08:10 PM
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Expired First Class
I couldn't find my previous medical thread to attach this question to.
My First Class Medical is expiring soon, and I am not ready to apply again. I will roll right into my second class medical.
I recall that a year ago I let my medical expire completely. I mean I ran out of even a third class before I went for my First Class Exam.
I was deferred for my first class because I was without a medical for so long. I did get my first class back.
I am wondering if their will be much cause for concern. Will my first class be subject to deferral since I let it expire by a few weeks, or was that just what happened last time since I completely expired?
My First Class Medical is expiring soon, and I am not ready to apply again. I will roll right into my second class medical.
I recall that a year ago I let my medical expire completely. I mean I ran out of even a third class before I went for my First Class Exam.
I was deferred for my first class because I was without a medical for so long. I did get my first class back.
I am wondering if their will be much cause for concern. Will my first class be subject to deferral since I let it expire by a few weeks, or was that just what happened last time since I completely expired?
05-24-2015, 09:48 PM
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This question is kind of annoying. Either get the first class or don't. You either meet the requirements or you don't. If you don't need it don't get it.
05-24-2015, 11:32 PM
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I have never heard of an AME deferring a medical purely because it was expired. Are you sure there isn't a medical condition that needs some kind of a status report that is triggering the deferral?
05-25-2015, 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by outaluckagain
I couldn't find my previous medical thread to attach this question to.
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11-16-2013 Spine surgery
Originally Posted by outaluckagain
I recently went for spine surgery. I was reading the AME requirements, and it clearly stated that any disease of the bone or joint was disqualifying. I find that very hard to believe since 80% or more of us over age 40 have degenerative disc disease.
Have any of you reported degenerative disc disease and still passed? I also had lumbar facet degeneration. Any of you reported and still passed?
The main question would be whether the actual formal operative report would be brought to the AME or not?
Would a simple helpful letter from my surgeon be better? In that case, does the AME usually ask for the formal report anyway.
Of course, I'll ask my AME! I am thinking that a letter would be all the AME is allowed to demand,and that if I can pass the tests in the exam,then I passed. Yes No?
Originally Posted by outaluckagain
Originally Posted by lbfowlerjrmd
yes ame can issue ... unless you have to crawl into exam room!
Does this thing happen normally, and if the Doctor said he is going to say he says I should pass, then would I.
The whole issue of being defferred was my not having a medical and not flying, with having had surgery.
Originally Posted by outaluckagain
My First Class Medical is expiring soon, and I am not ready to apply again. I will roll right into my second class medical.
I recall that a year ago I let my medical expire completely. I mean I ran out of even a third class before I went for my First Class Exam.
I was deferred for my first class because I was without a medical for so long. I did get my first class back.
I am wondering if their will be much cause for concern. Will my first class be subject to deferral since I let it expire by a few weeks, or was that just what happened last time since I completely expired?
02-27-2014
Originally Posted by outaluckagain
I got my medical deferred for reasons that it should not have been. I called AOPA and they were astonished.
Has anyone here ever used AOPA for a deferral? How did it work out?
Originally Posted by Xdashdriver
AOPA can give some good advice and can follow your case at the FAA, but a clued in Senior AME like Dr. Chien can do quite a bit more. I would get in touch with him.
Originally Posted by jabr800
To Outaluckagain,
Xdashdriver has said it very well!
AOPA is a wonderful organization that does many things for many aviators.
Though they speak the language well (of FAA Medical Stuff), my money goes to Dr. Chien every year, and it gets done the first time Everytime.
He is a SPECIALIST that deals with difficult FAA Medicals and Special Issuances.
That is all he does and he is truly the best.
Not just my opinion, that is the opinion of so many if you look outside this forum.
If your situation can be fixed, he can make it happen.
There are other places that lead you to believe they will get results, but the facts are, Dr. Chien has a better than 99% positive result rate, if he takes your case.
He is one of the very few people the FAA Medical folks consult with on some occasions when new language is written into their policies.
My experience is he knows the FAA stuff better than they do and he will stand up to them when they take a wrong turn on your behalf!
Here comes my opinion if it hasn't already emerged, you can use many other services or AME's and get the slower than molasses responses, and often times the wrong responses, or you can just deal with Dr. Chien and get it done in the BEST and FASTEST possible manner.
Originally Posted by outaluckagain
My issue was a deferral due to an issue that wasn't really an issue at all. Are you saying this Doc Chien may be contacted after a deferral and he takes it from there even if FAA has not denied me?
Originally Posted by outaluckagain
Thanks for the input on the issue of deferral. I actually resolved this through AOPA and they called today and said the medical cleared. Glad I called AOPA!!!
Dr. Chien did chat and agreed AOPA was the one for this since my case was so simple. Thanks.
What different answer are you expecting this time around? It seems to me that Dr. Chien and AOPA could give you much more sound advice than a bunch of internet forum strangers.
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05-25-2015, 02:36 AM
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What...a...troll.
05-25-2015, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
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11-16-2013 Spine surgery
Then, 02-03-2014:
So, there's also this post by you in a different thread (FAA Sending Case/Records to Independent Firm) ...
02-27-2014
Answered:
Answered:
And your response:
Finally, some time later ... 04-01-2014:
What different answer are you expecting this time around? It seems to me that Dr. Chien and AOPA could give you much more sound advice than a bunch of internet forum strangers.
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Does this look familiar?
11-16-2013 Spine surgery
Then, 02-03-2014:
So, there's also this post by you in a different thread (FAA Sending Case/Records to Independent Firm) ...
02-27-2014
Answered:
Answered:
And your response:
Finally, some time later ... 04-01-2014:
What different answer are you expecting this time around? It seems to me that Dr. Chien and AOPA could give you much more sound advice than a bunch of internet forum strangers.
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Obviously, I wasn't able to find the previous post. Like the system always works...right?
AOPA has told me that some AME will defer for expired medicals. Just looking for some info from people that may have experienced this.
05-25-2015, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by outaluckagain
That sure is a whole lot of smart as!!d garbage for a simple question.
I take it you prefer BS from internet strangers. See below.
Originally Posted by outaluckagain
Obviously, I wasn't able to find the previous post. Like the system always works...right?
Originally Posted by outaluckagain
AOPA has told me that some AME will defer for expired medicals. Just looking for some info from people that may have experienced this.
So, you're "not ready to apply again." Well, that's odd. Why not? Don't feel like it? Don't have the money? Maybe you have a medical issue? Is it the same issue, or a new one?
If you have medical issues, expect the same problems you had the last time around. Start early in the month so you'll have as much time as possible to complete the process before the month ends.
See, now I'm an expert.
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05-29-2015, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
If by smart assed garbaged you mean a Copy & Paste of your own posts, well ...
I take it you prefer BS from internet strangers. See below.
Yepp, it does, and very quickly at that.
OK, here's the deal. You didn't get deferred because you let your medical lapse. You got deferred because of your medical issues. It takes time to sort through them all, and receive all of the required approvals before your 1st Class Medical can be issued. Don't expect it to happen while you're waiting in the Doc's waiting room.
So, you're "not ready to apply again." Well, that's odd. Why not? Don't feel like it? Don't have the money? Maybe you have a medical issue? Is it the same issue, or a new one?
If you have medical issues, expect the same problems you had the last time around. Start early in the month so you'll have as much time as possible to complete the process before the month ends.
See, now I'm an expert.
.
I take it you prefer BS from internet strangers. See below.
Yepp, it does, and very quickly at that.
OK, here's the deal. You didn't get deferred because you let your medical lapse. You got deferred because of your medical issues. It takes time to sort through them all, and receive all of the required approvals before your 1st Class Medical can be issued. Don't expect it to happen while you're waiting in the Doc's waiting room.
So, you're "not ready to apply again." Well, that's odd. Why not? Don't feel like it? Don't have the money? Maybe you have a medical issue? Is it the same issue, or a new one?
If you have medical issues, expect the same problems you had the last time around. Start early in the month so you'll have as much time as possible to complete the process before the month ends.
See, now I'm an expert.
.
There are all types of so called experts out there. Why not solicit the opinions of strangers. This could be a good starting point. A good reference point to begin my search.
Well, you may find my post to be of little use for you. Good thing for me that the post wasn't intended for you. I am not sure what your intentions were, but I am glad I am not a worthless windbag!!!
05-30-2015, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by outaluckagain
I couldn't find my previous medical thread to attach this question to.
My First Class Medical is expiring soon, and I am not ready to apply again. I will roll right into my second class medical.
I recall that a year ago I let my medical expire completely. I mean I ran out of even a third class before I went for my First Class Exam.
I was deferred for my first class because I was without a medical for so long. I did get my first class back.
I am wondering if their will be much cause for concern. Will my first class be subject to deferral since I let it expire by a few weeks, or was that just what happened last time since I completely expired?
My First Class Medical is expiring soon, and I am not ready to apply again. I will roll right into my second class medical.
I recall that a year ago I let my medical expire completely. I mean I ran out of even a third class before I went for my First Class Exam.
I was deferred for my first class because I was without a medical for so long. I did get my first class back.
I am wondering if their will be much cause for concern. Will my first class be subject to deferral since I let it expire by a few weeks, or was that just what happened last time since I completely expired?
Your first class medical does NOT become a second class medical. It does not become a third class medical, either. A first class medical certificate, as issued, remains a first class medical certificate, no matter how long it has been since issuance.
After the six months after the month of issuance has elapsed, it is no longer good for first class privileges, but it remains a first class medical. Class of medical is not synonymous with privilege. The class of medical doesn't change. The privilege for which it is good does.
A medical certificate is never deferred simply because it has expired. If the medical has expired for the level of privilege you seek, simply go take the exam for another, before you intend to use those privileges.
You do not need a first class medical certificate unless you are seeking to exercise the privileges of the ATP pilot certificate. If you hold an ATP but are not involved in flying that requires the ATP (ie, flying in circumstances that only require a private or commercial), you may fly with a lapsed first class, and use it for second class privileges within the allotted time frame. Or you can simply go get a second or third class, as appropriate.
If at some future time you elect to seek a first class medical again, go get it. done.
If you have medical concerns for which your medical certification was deferred or delayed, then that's another matter entirely.
05-30-2015, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke
Bruce Chien is an excellent source. He's well recognized and well respected.
Your first class medical does NOT become a second class medical. It does not become a third class medical, either. A first class medical certificate, as issued, remains a first class medical certificate, no matter how long it has been since issuance.
After the six months after the month of issuance has elapsed, it is no longer good for first class privileges, but it remains a first class medical. Class of medical is not synonymous with privilege. The class of medical doesn't change. The privilege for which it is good does.
A medical certificate is never deferred simply because it has expired. If the medical has expired for the level of privilege you seek, simply go take the exam for another, before you intend to use those privileges.
You do not need a first class medical certificate unless you are seeking to exercise the privileges of the ATP pilot certificate. If you hold an ATP but are not involved in flying that requires the ATP (ie, flying in circumstances that only require a private or commercial), you may fly with a lapsed first class, and use it for second class privileges within the allotted time frame. Or you can simply go get a second or third class, as appropriate.
If at some future time you elect to seek a first class medical again, go get it. done.
If you have medical concerns for which your medical certification was deferred or delayed, then that's another matter entirely.
Your first class medical does NOT become a second class medical. It does not become a third class medical, either. A first class medical certificate, as issued, remains a first class medical certificate, no matter how long it has been since issuance.
After the six months after the month of issuance has elapsed, it is no longer good for first class privileges, but it remains a first class medical. Class of medical is not synonymous with privilege. The class of medical doesn't change. The privilege for which it is good does.
A medical certificate is never deferred simply because it has expired. If the medical has expired for the level of privilege you seek, simply go take the exam for another, before you intend to use those privileges.
You do not need a first class medical certificate unless you are seeking to exercise the privileges of the ATP pilot certificate. If you hold an ATP but are not involved in flying that requires the ATP (ie, flying in circumstances that only require a private or commercial), you may fly with a lapsed first class, and use it for second class privileges within the allotted time frame. Or you can simply go get a second or third class, as appropriate.
If at some future time you elect to seek a first class medical again, go get it. done.
If you have medical concerns for which your medical certification was deferred or delayed, then that's another matter entirely.
The so called "disqualifying" conditions were listed.
Having a relatively minor outpatient back surgery did not meet the standards for "disqualifying" condition. It seems obvious that the pilot in question may fly without a visit to the AME as long as he is fit to fly and has a current and appropriate medical.
This includes a time to heal before flying. Waiting a few weeks for example....Agree?
I know AOPA will tell me to see the AME before flying any at all.
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