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Old 07-18-2018, 06:18 AM
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I thought long and hard about this whole regional thing. Had several interviews got offered the job at all of them....Okay... This is a good position to be in I thought. Here I am with several offers on the table so which one do I go with?

For me the SAP seemed to good of a thing to pass up. I really didn't care about the bonus. Sure it was nice but who cares. That's here today gone tomorrow. Now here I am coming up on upgrade and starting to seriously consider moving on. I want to make captain and be a good one. Most everybody here I've flown with are cool dudes. This place has provided me with some good experience and I'm thankful.

That SAP short of moving to base has really been the only way to manage some quality of life. That's now fading away though... I'm not gonna stick around and get forced into an even worse QOL with the upgrade and a freaking year of reserve here. I don't know how soon many captains have done that. Maybe I'm a wheene or something. My hat is off to you guys.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:22 AM
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In all honesty would people be all that upset to trade in SAP for PBS and Endevor rates +10-15%?
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by captande View Post
In all honesty would people be all that upset to trade in SAP for PBS and Endevor rates +10-15%?
Yes it would pass. With that said, pay raises and QOL life improvements at the WO's are not happening anytime soon. Classes are still being filled to capacity. No reason for AAG to even consider the thought of raising wages.
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Old 07-18-2018, 07:46 AM
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In all honesty would people be all that upset to trade in SAP for PBS and Endevor rates +10-15%?
In many cases, yes. Schedule control can be worth more than money.
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by captande View Post
In all honesty would people be all that upset to trade in SAP for PBS and Endevor rates +10-15%?
Ain’t no way in hell we’re getting pay rates like that. Plus, I’m sure the company is banking on us giving up SAP for a whole lot less, since SAP is only about 50% useful now anyway.
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Old 07-18-2018, 11:49 AM
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QoL (reserve rules, schedule adjustment, not commuting, etc) are worth more than money IMO. You're not out of line for thinking about jumping ship. If you're going to commute and sit on reserve, it might as well be with a company that has more monetary incentive and more importantly better work rules.
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Quackquack View Post
What a freaking waste man.... Every request I had took in excess of 5 hours to process just to get a a denied notice. There was one request that got made... That was to add a trip. This is definitely by design.
It may be by design. Remember, only round one eligible pilots can SAP. Lines haven't changed much. So, for example, if there were, say, 55 lines available in DC only 55 pilots could SAP. Assuming DC grew to 57 lines over the past two months then that's an additional two eligible pilots who can SAP, yet performance degradation has been substantially worse now than it was two months ago. The actual numbers may be different but we aren't expanding the number of eligible round 1 pilots by much in contrast to the progressive decline of system performance.

My guess is there is a manual element to the SAP. It is just a guess but perhaps there is a scheduling person going through these trades and either approving or denying them? 60 eligible bidders x 50 requests per bidder is 3000 submissions. Effortless for a computer but could take hours for a human (and we aren't even accounting for the smoke breaks).
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Old 07-18-2018, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Quarryman View Post
. Assuming DC grew to 57 lines over the past two months then that's an additional two eligible pilots who can SAP, yet performance degradation has been substantially worse now than it was two months ago.
There may be a threshold effect where the system performs well up to a point then fails spectacularly. (Think Lucy and Ethel at the candy factory).

The other possibility is that as it gets slower people put in more requests and you have a positive feedback loop.
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Old 07-18-2018, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Quarryman View Post
It may be by design. Remember, only round one eligible pilots can SAP. Lines haven't changed much. So, for example, if there were, say, 55 lines available in DC only 55 pilots could SAP. Assuming DC grew to 57 lines over the past two months then that's an additional two eligible pilots who can SAP, yet performance degradation has been substantially worse now than it was two months ago. The actual numbers may be different but we aren't expanding the number of eligible round 1 pilots by much in contrast to the progressive decline of system performance.

My guess is there is a manual element to the SAP. It is just a guess but perhaps there is a scheduling person going through these trades and either approving or denying them? 60 eligible bidders x 50 requests per bidder is 3000 submissions. Effortless for a computer but could take hours for a human (and we aren't even accounting for the smoke breaks).
It seems that if someone else is awarded a line you also are asking for, the denial for anyone else who asked for that line is somewhat automatic. But who knows, when someone else gets the line you wanted, it is unknown what time they put in for that line. Is the extremely long delays from this SAP something that is grievable? Once, a crew scheduler told me they get busy if there is weather or other things that cause flight delays and they have to stop working on the SAP sometimes. Makes me think the staff that is on duty just assumes SAP and no additional staff scheduled on the 15th and 16th to help out.

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Old 07-19-2018, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by captande View Post
In all honesty would people be all that upset to trade in SAP for PBS and Endevor rates +10-15%?
Pass.

Increase flow, defacto raise that amounts to more over the long term.
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