Is SAP going away?
#31
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
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Yet without reserve provisions that grant a chance to break guarantee (like being able to swap reserve days for open time trips), the only benefit is less dropped trips (like the 13 hr 4-day with 85 TAFB I had last month on reserve). Maybe if rig time above credit was paid over guarantee, or something, it would help a reservist out.
#32
^ Truth. I've got a couple friends at Republic telling me how disappointed they were with their SAP. They thought it was going to function like ours. They have PBS + SAP and being able to drop for them depends on their reserve availability. Ours is truly unrestricted except for obvious ones like 117, training qualification, medical, etc...
#33
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
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While SAP has mostly been a disappointment here at RPA, I think that’s because of everyone’s misunderstanding of the feature at the PBS level and at our company. PBS already allows you to submit your specific preferences, as opposed to relying on pre-built lines that may or may not align with exactly what you need. The more relative seniority you have, and the more time you spend building and understanding your bid, the happier you will be - and in theory, the less need for SAP to begin with, with one exception - dropping below 75 hours. That is my single greatest complaint with our SAP. But that’s what the trade board is for if you’re lucky. Other than that, 15-17 days off are very possible with our trip, duty rigs and unrestricted min day credit. To each their own!
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#35
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SAP Just Keeps Getting Slower...
Hours and hours of submitting requests to see them denied due to the fact that this system is not in real time. Requests pending for many hours until it finally updates. Since you can't see the open time pot in real time it is a random guess as to what is available and what isn't. Plan on spending a lot of time getting something approved.
#36
Hours and hours of submitting requests to see them denied due to the fact that this system is not in real time. Requests pending for many hours until it finally updates. Since you can't see the open time pot in real time it is a random guess as to what is available and what isn't. Plan on spending a lot of time getting something approved.
#37
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Get 16th and 17th off. You'll be staying up all night SAPPing and it's usually worth it! Almost instant results around 3-5am. Whatever server processes SAP requests needs some upgrades for sure. Wonder if the union is aware or just isn't bother fixing the issue with "Pending"
#38
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
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SAP worked great when PSA was a 700 pilot airline. If you put in a request at the opening minute, you'd get an approval within ten minutes or so.
Then PSA grew to around 1,100 pilots, and that same transaction started taking 4-5 hours. Then the SAP started crashing almost every month.
Finally we were able to get them to split the SAP between Captains and First Officers, and remove some of the company-placed restrictions, which cut in half the load on the system, and reduced delays significantly...though those "first minute" transactions still tended to take 1 1/2-2 hours.
Now we've added another 600 pilots. The results are predictable.
This month I placed my first transaction around 9 p.m., and got it approved at 2 a.m.
Then PSA grew to around 1,100 pilots, and that same transaction started taking 4-5 hours. Then the SAP started crashing almost every month.
Finally we were able to get them to split the SAP between Captains and First Officers, and remove some of the company-placed restrictions, which cut in half the load on the system, and reduced delays significantly...though those "first minute" transactions still tended to take 1 1/2-2 hours.
Now we've added another 600 pilots. The results are predictable.
This month I placed my first transaction around 9 p.m., and got it approved at 2 a.m.
#39
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Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 54
Reality Check
I had to move three trips. I put one trade in that evening and three trades the next day. Done. Total time during SAP 10 minutes. Taking advantage of a very rare & beneficial portion of our contract and then turning around and complaining about is astounding. Negotiating it away would make you happier? Be careful what you wish.
Respectfully, Michael 39%
Respectfully, Michael 39%
#40
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Joined APC: Sep 2012
Position: CL-65 CA
Posts: 79
I had to move three trips. I put one trade in that evening and three trades the next day. Done. Total time during SAP 10 minutes. Taking advantage of a very rare & beneficial portion of our contract and then turning around and complaining about is astounding. Negotiating it away would make you happier? Be careful what you wish.
Respectfully, Michael 39%
Respectfully, Michael 39%
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