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ShooterMcGavin1 03-21-2018 04:04 PM

Leaping from 135
 
Hi guys. I was hoping to get some insight about 135 capts that have recently made the move to PSA. I see that regs allow previous 135 turbojet PIC time to be used towards the requirements of 121.436 in lieu of/combined with previous 121 time. Will these 135 PIC hrs actually lead to a new hire upgrading sooner or even right away (if they had a 1000)? Or does the company still require a certain # of company hrs, 121 hrs, etc before offering the left seat?

joseolay 03-21-2018 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by ShooterMcGavin1 (Post 2555987)
Hi guys. I was hoping to get some insight about 135 capts that have recently made the move to PSA. I see that regs allow previous 135 turbojet PIC time to be used towards the requirements of 121.436 in lieu of/combined with previous 121 time. Will these 135 PIC hrs actually lead to a new hire upgrading sooner or even right away (if they had a 1000)? Or does the company still require a certain # of company hrs, 121 hrs, etc before offering the left seat?

As far as I know, there's no company time requirement and you can upgrade right away if you meet FAR mins.

flynmid 03-21-2018 07:46 PM

If I recall correctly there must it must be turbojet with at least ten passenger seats. Meet that then you're good. Not sure if there's a restriction to how much of that counts towards 121

ShooterMcGavin1 03-22-2018 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by flynmid (Post 2556171)
If I recall correctly there must it must be turbojet with at least ten passenger seats. Meet that then you're good. Not sure if there's a restriction to how much of that counts towards 121

I’ve already sorted that part out. Was just wondering if there’s been any recently hired 135 guys that were offered upgrade earlier or immediately if they had the 1000 hrs for 121.436 requirements

ACEssXfer 03-22-2018 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by ShooterMcGavin1 (Post 2556511)
I’ve already sorted that part out. Was just wondering if there’s been any recently hired 135 guys that were offered upgrade earlier or immediately if they had the 1000 hrs for 121.436 requirements

There is no company time requirement.

WhiteMorpheus 03-22-2018 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by ACEssXfer (Post 2556661)
There is no company time requirement.

That may not be entirely accurate...FOM 4.13.7.

That said, the company may not adhering to the company-specific time requirement.

It appears to impact a Part 91 or 135 pilot more than a prior Part 121.

ACEssXfer 03-22-2018 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by WhiteMorpheus (Post 2556862)
That may not be entirely accurate...FOM 4.13.7.

That said, the company may not adhering to the company-specific time requirement.

It appears to impact a Part 91 or 135 pilot more than a prior Part 121.

Looks like in this specific case you are right.

Brinary01 03-25-2018 09:16 PM

I am in a similar situation. However I feel it is better to get off probation before being too ambitious, not to mention I have mixed feelings about condemning myself to SCR, for 2+years. Based on all my inquiries, the answer is YES. Once you have 1000 hrs of any combination of that FAR time required, and you bid upgrade, you will be awarded, but there Is an additional requirement of 300 hr with the company as and FO, (FOM 4.13.7 as others have stated).it can be waived with:
-2500TT, including
- 500 hr ME turbine, and either,
- 500 PIC part 121 or
- 1000 121 SIC

So I guess the answer is “kind of.” Because you need 300 hr with the company as an FO, if you don’t have the 121 time needed to be exempt from that requirement.

Frogamazog 03-29-2018 02:23 PM

This isn't always adhered to by the fact that someone from my class made captain immediately following IOE with only prior 135 experience.

Brinary01 04-02-2018 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Frogamazog (Post 2561381)
This isn't always adhered to by the fact that someone from my class made captain immediately following IOE with only prior 135 experience.

I can’t speak to someone in your class, and their spesific accommodations, or background that leading to their upgrade. I can simply share what the rule outlined in the FOM is. I am not saying you are wrong, but to be frank, you ,nor any of us know what someone’s spesific experience/background is, or what consideration was made when that pilot was awarded upgrade. We only know what is in our company pubs. One might say plan on what the FOM says, but there are rumors of exceptions to that.


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