What would you like to see in the LOA?
 

We have all heard the speculation of what could be forced on us by the company and the union, but I would like to hear what our pilots would like to see. To my knowledge the union has never solicited us for our thoughts on the matter. So here ya go, the floor is yours, let's hear what you got!

I’d rather not negotiate in public but that’s just me. If we get a vote then vote ye conscience at the appropriate time. If we don’t get a vote....then torches and pitchforks. That’s all I have to say about that...

Are you with the union or simply just wondering what our opinions are?

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Nope, just a dues paying pilot here. Curious as to what our other pilots would like to see. Me... match or exceed Endeavor's pay, trip and duty rigs, unrestricted SAP, scrap and rewrite our reserve rules, and a vote. Otherwise walk away until the contract is amenable, and let market forces prevail.

I agree with most of what you've said.

• Minimum day of 5 hrs/day for a 20 hr 4 day)
• 100% DH pay
• Sick time accrual of 5 hrs/month
• $2.1/hr non-taxable per diem ($50/full day)

As far as reserve rules go...

• DEFINITELY (PLEASE!!) No airport reserve (If Republic and other majors can perform without it, so can any regional)
• Be able to commute in during on-call period
• Upon finishing a reserve assignment, be released or be immediately assigned more flight duty scheduled to depart within 3 hours of previous block in
• No more than 2 nights away from domicile if you're on reserve
• Minimum of 12 days off; 80 hr guarantee
• Restrict lineholders from picking up open time within 72 hours of trip report time and allow lineholders to pick up open time trips that are within their RAP between 72-48 hrs before report time. Pay protection for trips picked up during such window.

If the negotiations fall short of what I stated above specifically for the reserve section, I'll be very disappointed. It'll be far from industry leading and if it were to go through, the entire airline industry will be disappointed at PSA for dragging the industry behind.

Outstanding points, this is exactly why I posted this thread. I like to see what others are thinking, completely forgot about DH pay and our perdiem. If Im not mistaken, I believe our perdiem was supposed to increase, but it was negotiated away in an LOA for a large jet order.

A good min calendar day (without our current stipulations) would really shine on 2-days, but good Rigs seem far important to me than the 100% DH or Min day.

A 3.5:1 trip rig pays 6:51 per 24 hour TAFB, much higher than 5 hours per actual day. Most 4-days have 80+ hour TAFB (much less than that and it's hardly a real 4-day), which would pay 23 hours. Give me three of those and a nice 10-hour-credit 2-day and I'm set working 14 days a month for 80ish credit, or maybe I'd just SAP down to 12 days (9 nights in a hotel room) for 69-72 credit.

The risk with rigs is that we could end up flying our butts off if planning figures out this whole efficiency thing.

And, of course, I want $25/hr across the board raise.

Trip and duty rigs are where its at

However NO CARVEOUTS

If I'm not at home, pay me. You don't want to have accurate push times wheel movement BS fine don't care, pay me. You want to build ****ty trips fine, pay me.

All that stuff aside, that stuff ya'll said is great and stuff but end of the day give me a de facto raise and increase that flow 15/mo MINIMUM :eek: :cool:

Fifteen minutes paid pre-fight set-up time and 15 minutes paid post-flight wrap-up,......... per leg.

I can find no reason for us to do the pre-flight planning, inspections, set-up, announcements, and/or similar post-flight duties,...... FOR FREE!!!

What other hourly employee group is required to provide free labor to their employer multiple times per day?

Door close/parking break release out times. You want PSA to be the most “respected” regional. Clean up all the bs late out waiting on CLT ground ops to get up off the tron and off their phone. Our CDO would be up around the 90% range vs 80%. Plus things mentioned above.

Trip and duty rigs cover that

Endeavor rates with trip rigs:
Year 1 FO @ $50/flight hr
3.5:1 = $14.30/TAFB hr : 300TAFB = $4290/mo
3.75:1 = $13.33/TAFB hr : 300TAFB = $4000/mo
4.0:1 = $12.50/TAFB hr : 300TAFB = $3750/mo

Year 1 CRJ900 CA @ $89/flight hour
3.5:1 = $25.40/TAFB hr : 300TAFB = $7620/mo
3.75:1 = $23.70/TAFB hr : 300TAFB = $7110/mo
4.0:1 = $22.25/TAFB hr : 300TAFB = $6675/mo

These numbers are conservative...four 4-days should average over 320 TAFB.

While that'd be great for lineholders, I'd also love to see reserves get some pay benefits other than just basic guarantee (something like: guarantee/days of reserve = daily value; any credit over daily value is paid above guarantee whether it be from actual block, rigs, or min day)

Do you think the pilot group prioritizes income or QOL for reserve? Company presumably doesn't care. Lotta options to make reserve more commute friendly.

Negotiating in public like this is foolish. MGMT reads this page. They now know exactly how little to offer.

Trip and duty rigs cover reserve and they would probably benefit the most with all the DH and **** trips

I agree.

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While I agree in principle we have to find commonality somehow since we get zero to nil commination from our Union.

What we need is a Union controlled website that we can talk on that kills any action talk quick and in a hurry

i agree with that. tr will rapidly kill that idea because he hates our pilots.

Gee, if only we had something like that, and where some enterprising union dude posts a lot of data every month, you know, someone that actually talks to us peons.

Yeah, we don't have anything like that......

bsl is good place that nobody uses. also its not really moderated by the union and other than cj nobody posts anything on there thats remotely useful.

there was an old psa forum that was really a solid resource and then inexplicably it was shut down. all the long term info was lost. there used to be a wealth of aircraft specific information including recurring mx issues. hotel and over night info.

was a real bummer when it was lost.

Correct.

Filler.

If you don't/can't/aren't allowed to break guarantee on reserve the language for those items would have to be very specific to benefit a reserve pilot as it pertains to flying done on "work days." Otherwise, they can keep loading you up to just shy of guarantee and then stop using you (lacking improvement in accountability of reserve usage). Maybe actually get a lawyer to read the LOA and look for loopholes before we vote on it...IJS.

I wouldn't exactly call this negotiating. Let them low ball away as their pilot resources will eventually evaporate as the supply of pilots continues to restrict among the competing regionals. Conversely, I would say that mgt now knows what they need come up to. Secondly, this is also a platform for people to assess prospective airlines and may give pause when deciding to come here.

No one here has any idea what is being negotiated on our behalf, if you want to contain information relating to what may or may not be negotiated, than I would suggest that our union produce a secure format in which they can communicate with us regarding the status of any forthcoming LOA.

It will be easier to break garuntee with trip and duty rigs.

Think about it for a second.

If you are triple dead headed like we are famous for and on duty for 14 hours but only fly for one that's when a duty rig takes over. If you are given that crappy 12 hour four day that's when trip rig takes over.

You have a better chance of breaking garuntee with rigs.

The best thing however is simplicity. Don't need bunch of tables, math, LoAs and contract language just trip rig = X and duty rig = Y

So easy a caveman can do it

We need to go all the way down to leprechaun level.

BINGO. It's actually better to complain in pubic than negotiate. :cool:

I'm actually not joking...Anyone else get those Frontier-ALPA "Don't come here!" postcards?

Let's throw in something like: The company is responsible for calculating and paying SDO and CCP with a pay dispute window 90 days after the SDO/CCP day.

Nothing quite like a job that doesn't automatically pay "overtime" when they have excellent time-keeping records on hand.

Rumor is an LOA is being released today

Interesting cause I’ve heard the same thing. We’ll find out.

/sarcasm on

• per diem will no longer be paid for 3 hour sits in CLT since you are in base and you can go home and eat you peons
• new hires will immediately go to the top of the seniority list until which time they hit 1000 hours then they will be forced upgrade into their last choice of captain bases
• effectively immediately everyone will be displaced all the time in order to train your replacements, all displaced pilots will sit hot reserve, again effectively immediately
• effectively immediately SAP will be limited to only trading on the same footprint, same as the as the totally useless Seniority and First Come trades and holidays will be locked out
• any four day trip that pays more than 20 hours will now incrementally deduct from your paycheck for every hour over 20, the extra hours will be redistributed to all employees flying four day trips that pay less than 20 hours
• we effectively negotiated a pay decrease starting right after the top 50 people flow, we will see an increased flow of 15 per month until that time after which the flow will decrease to 5 per month because EFF you that's why

/sarcasm off

Even if you’re not based in CLT because you should have friends there that will feed you

Bad news is generally released at close of business on a Friday, so there’s that. :)

The news must be the pns mx base

Woooooooof