JS dress code
 

I am curious, a couple of days ago I was on a DH ticket in first class on an American Airlines (republic 175) A PSA new hire was JS/non rev going home in shorts, T-shirt and sneakers... he told me he was a new hire on property about 7 months.
My question is, What is your dress code for catching a ride home? My assumption was business casual if you were not in uniform. I talked with him a little and told him about my company’s policy (Fedex) about offline JS and that he might encounter some difficulties trying to get home dressed that way. And that the important thing is getting home or to work so why make it harder on yourself. Wasn’t confrontational about it, just offering advice.
However, on reflection I wanted to make sure what PSA’s policy actually dictated... and if I was wrong then I will offer my public apologies for being old school.

Business casual or uniform. T-shirts, shorts and such are not acceptable and will most likely NOT get you a jumpseat unless the gate agent(s) and pilots really don't care.
http://www.jumpseatinfo.org/Jumpseat...0/Default.aspx

This is a tricky situation. If the new hire pilot was content with having no shot at the actual JS, their attire was completely reasonable as the AAG dress code for using a non rev pass is as follows:

Dress guidelines while traveling
For most of us, being comfortable in flight extends to the clothes we wear. American doesn’t have a prescribed dress code for our non-revenue guests. So, as long as your clothing is neat and clean and doesn’t offend or distract, you’re good to fly in any class (including premium cabins).

As it was an AA marketed flight, we can simply book the flight (standby), and if we are ‘loaded’ - we are considered a nonrev, not a jumpseater...immaterial of our job, Pilot, FA, analyst, etc. This pilot did limit their options as I doubt few captains would approve the physical JS, in that attire. However, if the flight was wide open...must have been for the PSA pilot to actually be upgraded domestically...pretty low risk that the actual jumpseat would be required.

It’s nice that you explained some of the nuances of jump seating, as there is a lot confusion for all new hires.

Jumpseat is business causal but AA non-rev overall dress code is more laid back. I usually will be in business causal if I am intended on having the jumpseat as a backup plan, but if I am non-rev without the intent of using the jumpseat, then I will wear jeans, t-shirt, or maybe a hoodie depending on time of year.


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I’d always been in business casual regardless, because you never know when you’re going to have to be in that seat.

Funny story though, first FDX JS ride I took I was in business casual and the Capt asked me why I had dressed up.

For contrast, as a pilot for a UPS feeder I got dressed down by a Capt because I was in black Carhartts (an acceptable uniform item for us). That said, that same UPS Capt introduced himself by telling he flew F-14s in the Navy and had x number of traps.

Good for you.


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I usually dig through my closet to find my overalls with both straps and fancy white adidas when I travel on the jump...

Enjoy being left behind.

The travel guide even says if we get a seat in first class on a international flight we can wear the American Airlines pajamas they provide.

Straight from the book, if you blend in you’re good.

There's a big difference between nonrev and jumpseat when it comes to AA.

You can dress casual if you intend to ride in the cabin of any AA flight, regional or not. If you intend on riding the cockpit jumpseat you better be in business casual and clean shaven. Otherwise you won't be going to your destination on that seat.

If it is midsummer do you do what we do out on the farm? Unbutton those two on each side at the waist and go commando. Let that breeze go through, it is almost like an air conditioner.

Not always true. At Envoy our FM-1 is very specific in saying that only operating crew are required to be clean shaven. I grew a sweet beard during my time off after training and before IOE. I’ve seen plenty of dispatchers out there with beards and shadows. Business casual attire is required though if you want to ride up front. I watched a Southwest crewmember get denied up front because she was in jeans and Hunter rubber boots.

Bare minimum for WO/AA pilots.

Sandals are never allowed.

Shorts are ok for coach. (Pretty sure this rule is still valid.)

Jeans or better for first class.

Slacks or uniform for the jump seat.

Being clean shaven is not required for a jumpseater, only operating crew.

Courts have already ruled the above statement incorrect in a Delta Pilots suit.

Tkats ok, show up as you want and roll the dice and see if you are allowed. Try arguing with the captain and see how far it will get you, captain has final say. Period.

Yea it is, the CRJ JS O2 mask states, on the mask, "beards will not seal". It's an aircraft placard just like the rest of them.
Furthermore it is rude to ask the Captain for a professional courtesy if you look un-professional.

Which is why the FOM specifically states that the Captain should inform the jumpseat occupant of degradation of O2 mask performance. I don’t think facial hair is “unprofessional” in business casual attire (no jeans of course). Wearing the uniform without shaving is obviously not permitted.

it also states that "individuals with facial hair that will effect the efficiency and performance of a mask should not occupy the seat on the flight deck" since this becomes a safety issue it aint gonna happen unless you find a dweeb who spends all their time on facebook and has no idea of being a captain, then you're all set.

It'll defentally be degraded when I tell him to take off his mask and old his breath because he's sucking down my 1/3 of the tank with his leaky mask.

Looking professional is a different story, but as far as safety goes beards do not have ANY effect on the seal of a mask. I read somewhere on these forums awhile back they tested a mask on a guy with a “duck dynasty” type beard and it had no effect on the seal whatsoever. It’s just an excuse for airlines to keep us clean shaven. Think about it, if it was an issue you know the FAA would require anyone flying a pressurized aircraft to be clean shaven including part 91 and 135. A lot of those guys have a 5:00 shadow from 2 weeks ago. Europeans can have beards. And if the yellow Dixie cup oxygen masks in the cabin are good enough for any Joe Schmo sitting in coach, then I’m sure our sophisticated masks that suck to your face like an octopus are just fine for beards.

Possibly due to critical thinking required while wearing a mask and not just delevering adequate O2 to prevent suffocation.
I have doubts that everyone in the cabin will be immune from distraction or coughing if the cabin fills with smoke and will be fully prepared to make life or death decisions, under stress, other than tightening their seat belt and bending over.
I can't site an anonymous forum, or google bearded mask study, but the mask says "beards will not seal".

It's not just airlines my neighbor works in a refinery and wears a Nomex jumpsuit to work and they can't have beards either. No mask company can afford the endless product liability of a loophole that beards can create.

You can do a study to prove someone can walk down stairs without a handrail, but that doesn't mean your gonna change the industry standard of putting up handrails. Or a employeee isn't sticking his neck out becasue he determined handrails aren't needed so he removed them.

I’m not saying I think the rules will ever be changed. I just have extreme doubts that beards actually make any kind of difference. I’m sure the European carriers would change their rules if they thought differently. The placards are probably still in place because it’s not an important issue and it’s just easier to say “beards will not seal”. It’s just like “No PEDs or must be on airplane mode below 10,000 feet.” Everyone knows it doesn’t do anything. Half the passengers don’t listen to that rule anyway. Yet, I haven’t heard of anyone losing a localizer because a passenger is getting on instagram at 1,000 feet. There’s just not a big enough push to change the rule.

Again, I don’t think the rule will ever be changed in the U.S. I’m just saying... beards will not seal is fake news. As long as you don’t look like a slob you’re welcome on my jumpseat. But don’t expect that to be the norm. Every captain is different.

This. Pilots in the Middle East are allowed to have beards, too.

Canadian pilots have beards

Then you should work there

Non-rev to interview
 

What would the group suggest for a non-employee non-rev on the way to and from the interview?

You’re fine in business casual.


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The FOM states that it's mainly Captain discretion, but the benchmark is to dress like you would to get assigned a first class seat.

Khakis and a button down are my go to for non rev when I'm not in uniform.

Plus dressing up a bit tends to make everyone from TSA to gate agents treat you better.