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Old 08-12-2018, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer View Post
A gooseneck? Is it a horse trailer? How big is your wife? You mean a fifth wheel. Did you buy a one 1-ton to pull it around with?
Are you advocating pilots pull their kids out of school, pay a realtor to dump their house, so they can roll around portable with you?
What possible relevance is your travel trailer to this conversation, if I wanted to live in a travel trailer and cruise around for union scale I would have joined a millwrights or boilermaker union.

.... Not sure why attacking me helps this conversation.

I simply asked why "displacement" was the only reason why PSA sucks. I do not have children and my wife and I are not yet pregnant. The RV comment was not a stab at anyone or me making fun of anyone, unlike your comment about my wife. I was simply stating why displacement was not a bad thing for me.
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Old 08-12-2018, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by chubakabrah View Post
.... Not sure why attacking me helps this conversation.

I simply asked why "displacement" was the only reason why PSA sucks. I do not have children and my wife and I are not yet pregnant. The RV comment was not a stab at anyone or me making fun of anyone, unlike your comment about my wife. I was simply stating why displacement was not a bad thing for me.
Well it's a little insulting that you are insinuating that most 121 pilots only have 1 point of view.
Which is to live in a house that doesn't have wheels.
And that view is an unreasonable or narrow to live in a home, and really not a knock against the company or their policy's that prohibit it.
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Old 08-13-2018, 04:13 AM
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Ok reserve fun at PSA:

-Get called the night before short call and converted to 0445 hot reserve

-show up to the airport and don't forget to call scheduling to check in and out like a grade schooler. It's not in the contract, but there Union let's them do it.

-have them tell you that they're putting you in a cab to drive to another base to work a repo.

-ask if there are any reserves in that base who could do it and now you're questioning schedulings authority over you, that earns you extra hot reserve the next few days.

-there's a first out last out bid, but the contract language doesn't force scheduling to use it, and if you bring it up while scheduling is trying to assign you something now we're back to questioning their authority again, enjoy sitting hot.

-by this point you might be saying well I'll email my Union rep to see what they can do. After five or six emails without a response you realize that most of the base representatives are close enough to flowing to not care in the slightest about those beneath them on the seniority list. It's been around 6 months since we've had any official Union information other than telling us to straighten up and do what the company says.

End of the day it's your call as to where you go, but there's a reason everyone says we have the worst reserve rules in the industry.
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Old 08-13-2018, 05:27 AM
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There are a lot of problems with PSA beyond involuntary “voluntary” displacements into the left seat. This is one area where there is a lot of publicly displayed angst.

If one wants to live in a van down by the river they will find PSA more tolerable, but there are still other issues that could be avoided by living in a van down by a different river, at a different carrier.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:59 AM
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With all due respect, your exuberance is clouding your judgment. People where forcibly displaced from their homes and families to this so called "upgrade" where many people are taking a financial hit due to having a household with a family in one city and a crashpad or hotel in another base. This was done involuntarily and yet called voluntary, clearing the company of any financial responsibility to relocate these displaced individuals. This was done without any input of the voting membership who pay money to have representation. Promises were made to have improved reserve rules and those promises were broken. Families suffered when the single most important institution, seniority, was sold out. Had the voting membership had a voice, then maybe things would have been different. Back in history, large quantities of tea were dumped into Boston Harbor. Today, we sit idle and watch the unfolding of events gone unchecked.

Take your RV and go somewhere else (please).

Hmm, where to start on this. Understand, when the company is bringing in a significant amount of military retirees we’re coming with a lot of ignorance, and a completely different look on things. I’ll be honest, I don’t know much about a union, or the airlines industry. I do know that someone simply asking another to leave certainly isn’t going to gain favor of that person, or their peers.

Instead of shaming someone and trying to shut them down, a very common and ineffective tactic, try educating and showing them what the issue is. You kind of did that, then threw it all out with the bath water in your last remark. I haven’t posted much on here, but what I have noticed is that there is a lot of infighting in the peer group.

Military members are used to being undervalued, and being in a new corporate environment with a union is a way, or should be, to fix that. I think that should be the message. Not a take your toys and go home.

Just my two cents.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kevin18 View Post
Hmm, where to start on this. Understand, when the company is bringing in a significant amount of military retirees we’re coming with a lot of ignorance, and a completely different look on things. I’ll be honest, I don’t know much about a union, or the airlines industry. I do know that someone simply asking another to leave certainly isn’t going to gain favor of that person, or their peers.

Instead of shaming someone and trying to shut them down, a very common and ineffective tactic, try educating and showing them what the issue is. You kind of did that, then threw it all out with the bath water in your last remark. I haven’t posted much on here, but what I have noticed is that there is a lot of infighting in the peer group.

Military members are used to being undervalued, and being in a new corporate environment with a union is a way, or should be, to fix that. I think that should be the message. Not a take your toys and go home.

Just my two cents.
That’s a reasonable position. Some of us are a little sensitive, because management would prefer we live in a cardboard box under the overpass next to the airport. When someone posts something they’re comfortable doing, that starts to sound remotely close to that cardboard box, some of us will probably have some issue with it, even if it wasn’t written with that intent.
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That’s a reasonable position. Some of us are a little sensitive, because management would prefer we live in a cardboard box under the overpass next to the airport. When someone posts something they’re comfortable doing, that starts to sound remotely close to that cardboard box, some of us will probably have some issue with it, even if it wasn’t written with that intent.
Exactly, because as I found out the hard way early on. It’s not a thing where you go out of your way and they then reciprocate down the line. You go out of your way, they see that your willing to do that for no extra incentive, then they hammer you with it time and again. The only way it seems to get what we deserve is to play hard ball. They still have their eyes turned to 2009 where pilots were willing to take home less and less just to keep their jobs. But it’s 2018 and somehow we need to show them we aren’t worth pennies anymore.
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Old 08-13-2018, 03:56 PM
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Still can’t believe new hires are walking through the door with the other options out there...baffles me. Why PSA? And don’t say “flow” LOL
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Still can’t believe new hires are walking through the door with the other options out there...baffles me. Why PSA? And don’t say “flow” LOL

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Aside from that, what else?
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