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Old 10-29-2021, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SquawkVFRGooDay View Post
Good day. Curious to know what are the differences between these regionals in 2021
Curious about this as well.

Other than the "go where you don't have to commute" what makes one better than the other. I do not mind both bases.
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Old 10-30-2021, 05:11 AM
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PSA is like working for two different airlines. PSA will probably be the longest time on reserve, as we have about 4x as many reserves as any airline. The reserve rules aren't great; you'll rarely have more than 11 days off and typically block about 40 hours a month, even though you're working most days. They just consist of a lot of hot reserve and dead heads.

However, nothing beats PSA once you are round one. You can pick and choose your schedule and trips at will. The only requirement is that you credit a minimum of 65 hours. You won't get round one until you're about 50% seniority in your base and seat, though.

Then there is senior manning. Once you get close to 1,000 you will be involuntarily upgraded and moved to the base you can hold. Thanks to a shady MEC years ago, this is all considered 'voluntary' so the company will not pay relocation reimbursement, commuter hotels, positive space, nothing. Also, you'll be back on reserve as a CA and not be able to pick your schedule again.
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Old 10-30-2021, 05:33 AM
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Which one has bases that would work better for you? Go there. Fly as much as you can. Get your apps in at a major early. Upgrade when you can. Period.
Both have bases which are one flight away. From a commuter stand point just curious about the real differences
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Old 10-30-2021, 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SquawkVFRGooDay View Post
Both have bases which are one flight away. From a commuter stand point just curious about the real differences
There really are no other known differences that are stable over the next 12 months. Not sure you are understanding this. Things are changing so what is true today in regards to things that are "better" might very well be gone in under a year.

Just having a commute that is one flight away is not very telling. Which one has more/better flight options? Which one is served by company metal as opposed to offline or mainline metal? Getting the jumpseat on your own metal is huge! It usually means the difference between getting to work and not. Also, if it is mainline, is it served by a 737 (1 jumpseat) or an airbus (2 jumpseats)?

One leg commuting can suck right now with current flight loads and cancellation factors. That, and some cities not having early or late flights anymore can mean you having to come in the day before every assignment and not being able to leave until the day after an assignment.

Other than that, any "difference" that you may see could very likely be gone in a year anyways.

PSA has high reserve times right now evidently, but are likely going to be losing 50+ pilots per month and increasing. Envoy is probably about the same.

Just pick one. You will have no idea if you made the right choice until 2 years from now. That is the unfortunate part about this industry, you never know until the end of your career if you made the right choices or not.

Choosing one of the two is not an educated decision at this point. It is a gut feeling and a guess. Nothing more. Stay away from GoJet, Air Wisconsin, and Mesa, and pick one of the rest.

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Old 10-30-2021, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jcool734 View Post
I have looked an no one has left a definitive answer. What are the current reserve times in all bases.


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If you mean time from hire to sap … idk but also irrelevant as that reflects covid. Won’t predict the situation for new hires
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Old 11-04-2021, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bgrace6 View Post
I live close to BNA. Would be commuting because my mom is sick and I really want to stay close to her. I have an interview with Envoy in a few weeks for the cadet program and I just applied for PSA's cadet program.

Assuming I got offered at both, would it be smarter for me to go with Envoy and have to commute or PSA and hope to get TYS which is easily drive-able?

Looks like it would take around 4 months to get TYS as a new hire. Does that sound right?
if you’re trying to be home a lot you may be looking at the wrong airlines. As a commuter expect to be home about 10-11 days a month. PSA reserve isn’t for the faint of heart.
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Old 11-04-2021, 01:30 PM
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uh... TYS is no longer a base...
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Old 11-04-2021, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
uh... TYS is no longer a base...
That post was from 2018.
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:05 PM
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Default Reserve call out time

How long is reserve call out time for PSA? is CLT or DAY possible to get out of training, and is upgrade times at those bases long?
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Old 11-05-2021, 05:15 PM
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2 hrs
yes
Every sign now points to immediate upgrades at 1000 hours (at basically every regional)
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