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jgdeleon09 12-08-2018 10:15 AM

Can an FO be a chief pilot?
 
If so, I was under the impression it was only captains...

Flyboyxc91 12-08-2018 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by jgdeleon09 (Post 2721487)
If so, I was under the impression it was only captains...

Well, the newest Chief Pilot is a First Officer so I guess that’s what you’re asking. Yes.

Throwitaway 12-08-2018 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by jgdeleon09 (Post 2721487)
If so, I was under the impression it was only captains...

Being short on company specific experience and having never made a PIC decision during a 121 operation... sure, why not?!

Going to be some extremely entertaining scenarios that come out of this, so many employees operating on min experience, not just here but becoming the norm industry wide, let the great experiment begin!

PerfInit 12-08-2018 07:01 PM

See 14 CFR 119.67 (b).

272922 12-08-2018 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by PerfInit (Post 2721788)
See 14 CFR 119.67 (b).

Except there's a difference between the one guy listed in the Ops Specs and their responsibilities, and who the company decides to turn into their cop.

Same title, different responsibility.

Thedude86 12-09-2018 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by Throwitaway (Post 2721627)
Being short on company specific experience and having never made a PIC decision during a 121 operation... sure, why not?!

Going to be some extremely entertaining scenarios that come out of this, so many employees operating on min experience, not just here but becoming the norm industry wide, let the great experiment begin!

I fear this could be the new norm in the next few years. It’s not specific to PSA, but to all regionals in general. Pretty soon we’ll have new FOs fresh off IOE flying with captains with just 1-2 years of experience being trained by Instructors with only 2-3 years experience. It’s starting to happen already.

As much as I’d like to see all of us get better pay rates, at the least they need to raise instructor pay to keep them here. We need experience in the training departments. Just because you meet the legal requirements doesn’t mean it’s the best idea. I’ve had some new instructors that were good, but experience is valuable. In my opinion this could be more dangerous than pre-1500 hour rule. At least then you still had lots of people with a 5-15 years experience.

Swakid8 12-09-2018 04:34 AM

Can an FO be a chief pilot?
 
Yeah, don’t get me started about seeing an FO as a chief pilot......

He’s a good dude though with military experience and previous leaderships positions in his background.

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CDowney 12-09-2018 04:03 PM

Yeah he is great dude, plus with 20 years as a police officer and a doctorate as well as having been an acting assistant chief for the better part of a year. I do think he is highly qualified for the position regardless of having a forth strip.


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Swakid8 12-09-2018 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by CDowney (Post 2722253)
Yeah he is great dude, plus with 20 years as a police officer and a doctorate as well as having been an acting assistant chief for the better part of a year. I do think he is highly qualified for the position regardless of having a forth strip.


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He is right around the corner from the upgrade.


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My name is 12-10-2018 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 2722260)
He is right around the corner from the upgrade.

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Same for all the people in new hire training... twenty years as a cop qualifies him to be a chief pilot no more than me being a pilot for twenty years makes me qualified to be a police chief. You can’t give valuable advice if you have never sat in the seat and seen the issues first hand. Evidently the guy in ORF is an FO too.


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