Considering PSA
03-08-2019, 02:05 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Simply put... I would recommend PSA over Piedmont or Air Wisconsin.
To elaborate PSA has more attrition than PDT and will going forward, it has faster movement overall. The contracts are comparable as to work rules however in the just of differences I would say our average overnight is slightly better than there’s albeit trivial to some.. our aircraft are somewhat newer on average of fleet scale and especially as we phase out the 200s.. I know we all get down sometimes on our schedules and it’s up and down many times from month to month, I find it either good or not so good but I have spoken with many a PDT pilot/friend whom almost always says it’s horrible.. our credited lines are definitely better than their average albeit by a couple hours typically and yes we do have the 14 hour 4 days too but from what came out of many PDT pilots mouths our credit is better overall... I don’t think they are doing much triple premium anymore either but it’s still there occasionally was what I was told. Here at PSA I was on reserve in base (CLT) five months and it was ok, three months were pretty great and two were a little frustrating per inefficient deadheading and long duty days for seemingly no reason compared to the resources available to utilize but that’s reserve and it usually evens out in the middle, just takes time. By far our flexibility of scheduling and trading is better than PDT but at this point of being reserve so long you’ll have to wait a while to be a line holder to utilize the features provided.. in base it’s not horrible but I haven’t commuted before for that other perspective.
As far as Air Whiskey goes I dont hear a lot of good things from their pilot group besides making decent money for flying 200s mostly in the form of bonuses and overtime flying, they seemingly have a lot of that if you wanted it... the biggest complaint and fear out of that group is that they’re all unsure of a future and their new CPP for United is real but still new and a few have not passed the Hogan or whatever it is.
If I had to do it over again I would pick PSA out of these you’re evaluating. Beyond that I would have gone to Republic or Endeavor. Best of luck to you.
03-08-2019, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyboyxc91
+1 on that..
To elaborate PSA has more attrition than PDT and will going forward, it has faster movement overall. The contracts are comparable as to work rules however in the just of differences I would say our average overnight is slightly better than there’s albeit trivial to some.. our aircraft are somewhat newer on average of fleet scale and especially as we phase out the 200s.. I know we all get down sometimes on our schedules and it’s up and down many times from month to month, I find it either good or not so good but I have spoken with many a PDT pilot/friend whom almost always says it’s horrible.. our credited lines are definitely better than their average albeit by a couple hours typically and yes we do have the 14 hour 4 days too but from what came out of many PDT pilots mouths our credit is better overall... I don’t think they are doing much triple premium anymore either but it’s still there occasionally was what I was told. Here at PSA I was on reserve in base (CLT) five months and it was ok, three months were pretty great and two were a little frustrating per inefficient deadheading and long duty days for seemingly no reason compared to the resources available to utilize but that’s reserve and it usually evens out in the middle, just takes time. By far our flexibility of scheduling and trading is better than PDT but at this point of being reserve so long you’ll have to wait a while to be a line holder to utilize the features provided.. in base it’s not horrible but I haven’t commuted before for that other perspective.
As far as Air Whiskey goes I dont hear a lot of good things from their pilot group besides making decent money for flying 200s mostly in the form of bonuses and overtime flying, they seemingly have a lot of that if you wanted it... the biggest complaint and fear out of that group is that they’re all unsure of a future and their new CPP for United is real but still new and a few have not passed the Hogan or whatever it is.
If I had to do it over again I would pick PSA out of these you’re evaluating. Beyond that I would have gone to Republic or Endeavor. Best of luck to you.
To elaborate PSA has more attrition than PDT and will going forward, it has faster movement overall. The contracts are comparable as to work rules however in the just of differences I would say our average overnight is slightly better than there’s albeit trivial to some.. our aircraft are somewhat newer on average of fleet scale and especially as we phase out the 200s.. I know we all get down sometimes on our schedules and it’s up and down many times from month to month, I find it either good or not so good but I have spoken with many a PDT pilot/friend whom almost always says it’s horrible.. our credited lines are definitely better than their average albeit by a couple hours typically and yes we do have the 14 hour 4 days too but from what came out of many PDT pilots mouths our credit is better overall... I don’t think they are doing much triple premium anymore either but it’s still there occasionally was what I was told. Here at PSA I was on reserve in base (CLT) five months and it was ok, three months were pretty great and two were a little frustrating per inefficient deadheading and long duty days for seemingly no reason compared to the resources available to utilize but that’s reserve and it usually evens out in the middle, just takes time. By far our flexibility of scheduling and trading is better than PDT but at this point of being reserve so long you’ll have to wait a while to be a line holder to utilize the features provided.. in base it’s not horrible but I haven’t commuted before for that other perspective.
As far as Air Whiskey goes I dont hear a lot of good things from their pilot group besides making decent money for flying 200s mostly in the form of bonuses and overtime flying, they seemingly have a lot of that if you wanted it... the biggest complaint and fear out of that group is that they’re all unsure of a future and their new CPP for United is real but still new and a few have not passed the Hogan or whatever it is.
If I had to do it over again I would pick PSA out of these you’re evaluating. Beyond that I would have gone to Republic or Endeavor. Best of luck to you.
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03-10-2019, 06:18 PM
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Have not heard this, not trying to start any rumors this is just a question. I’m an hour from CHS, when I fly in I see PSA metal in and out all day when I’m over there. Correct me if I’m wrong, please, but isn’t CHS a maintenance base? Why would it not also be Pilot hub?
03-10-2019, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Av8tor8710
Have not heard this, not trying to start any rumors this is just a question. I’m an hour from CHS, when I fly in I see PSA metal in and out all day when I’m over there. Correct me if I’m wrong, please, but isn’t CHS a maintenance base? Why would it not also be Pilot hub?
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03-10-2019, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jecain7
I believe chs is a mx base. But we’ve also got mx bases in sav, pns, and cak. I doubt we’d open a crew base at any of the above, but nothing surprises me anymore.
03-10-2019, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SPM2019
Hey all! I am considering PSA. I wanted to ask for some brutal feedback regarding the company/pilot relationship, how much time new hires are sitting reserve (particularly at CLT), how are the reserve rules, and the general QOL? Would you recommend over PDT or Air Wisconsin? Is there another regional you would specifically recommend?
Thanks!
Thanks!
Future growth/new aircraft and SAP make it a better place long term (at the present time at least) than PDT and AWAC.
03-10-2019, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jecain7
I believe chs is a mx base. But we’ve also got mx bases in sav, pns, and cak. I doubt we’d open a crew base at any of the above, but nothing surprises me anymore.
04-04-2019, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kerizbro
What is the current flow time for a new hire?
Say we flow 110-120 pilots /year depending on how many months out of the year AAG runs classes. That puts you at about 16-17 years not factoring in outside attrition...
Outside attrition will likely cut that time roughly in half. So I would realistically estimate 8-9 years at our current rate.
04-04-2019, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Factoring in 10 /month flowing to AA and a pilot group of about 1900 pilots...
Say we flow 110-120 pilots /year depending on how many months out of the year AAG runs classes. That puts you at about 16-17 years not factoring in outside attrition...
Outside attrition will likely cut that time roughly in half. So I would realistically estimate 8-9 years at our current rate.
Say we flow 110-120 pilots /year depending on how many months out of the year AAG runs classes. That puts you at about 16-17 years not factoring in outside attrition...
Outside attrition will likely cut that time roughly in half. So I would realistically estimate 8-9 years at our current rate.
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