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Old 09-25-2019, 09:20 AM
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Can pilots arrange 1:1 base trades on the side?
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Old 09-25-2019, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT View Post
Can pilots arrange 1:1 base trades on the side?
As a lineholder you could trade all your trips with a lineholder in another base, but I think you can't "officially" base swap.
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Old 09-25-2019, 05:45 PM
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No. That defeats one of the purposes of seniority.
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Nyflier View Post
No. That defeats one of the purposes of seniority.
I don’t see the problem if there are no vacancies. If I want a certain base, but there are no vacancies... then another pilot swaps to get into that base with someone else... I’m stuck in the same position either way. I say more power to them as long as it doesn’t screw me over.

You can actually do this at mainline as long as the swap doesn’t cause you to become the most junior pilot in the new base.
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Old 09-26-2019, 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Nyflier View Post
No. That defeats one of the purposes of seniority.
The current system frustrates seniority in some ways as well. In particular not being displaceable from your base creates situations where

Captain senior (based ABC) wants DEF
Captain Junior (based DEF) wants ABC

But unless a vacancy is posted at DEF, captain senior can’t get it
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Old 09-26-2019, 05:58 AM
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How this would defeat seniority would be...

Pilot A is senior and is based in DAY. Pilot B is junior, and is a friend of Pilot A, and wants to be based in CLT.

Since pilot B is junior, he can not hold CLT. But, Pilot A, a great friend, bids for CLT while pilot B holds DAY. Then, once the award becomes effective, they swap bases. This would allow the junior pilot to be based where he wants, even though he can not hold it.


There is an annual system wide bid that allows for transfers across all bases, but it is pretty rare not to have any movement in/out of a base for more than a month. The bi-weekly awards that come out have movement in every base just about every month.
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Old 09-26-2019, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm View Post
How this would defeat seniority would be...

Pilot A is senior and is based in DAY. Pilot B is junior, and is a friend of Pilot A, and wants to be based in CLT.

Since pilot B is junior, he can not hold CLT. But, Pilot A, a great friend, bids for CLT while pilot B holds DAY. Then, once the award becomes effective, they swap bases. This would allow the junior pilot to be based where he wants, even though he can not hold it.


There is an annual system wide bid that allows for transfers across all bases, but it is pretty rare not to have any movement in/out of a base for more than a month. The bi-weekly awards that come out have movement in every base just about every month.
I could see that being a problem. Not that I think base swaps would ever make their way into the contract, but you could put a restriction where you can only swap with someone who has held that base for 6 months or a year. That might keep people from doing what you described.
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