And bna and Mia.

Hell they were on flica and as a base option on the asap form for a while.

Well right now we can only hope something in the future opens up.
#make Dayton junior again

CAK base 2020. You heard it hear first. https://media2.giphy.com/media/H767D...5fgR/giphy.gif

Who knows when it comes to a DFW crew base... Honestly, I think we stand a better chance at opening yet another outstation crew base, like in Savannah, before we see a base open in DFW.

What are the odds of a DFW base in the near future given all that has evolved?

I don't see that happening. They had to recall everyone to get the govt. money. Fact of the matter is we are grossly overstaffed, still got rid of 19 planes not coming back and the numbers of pax traveling is still down. I don't see how more flying would come our way when we've seen it go to PDT and RPA etc.

Honestly..no one knows. When the company wide email comes out, you'll know. I realize that is not helpful, but considering how this year has gone. Let's take it one step at a time.

Planes with a fresh patch of paint on the nose and "MESA" lettering trying to peak out from behind it would be a strong indicator of the possibility.

Until/unless that happens I don't think we'll open a DFW crew base (we lost most or all of our DFW flying through February).

Republic just picked up 6 E-175s slated for Envoy because AA couldn’t secure the financing... There are no new airplanes coming. I’d say DFW is a pipe dream at this point. We aren’t even doing any flying there in February.

I don’t think February is a good gauge for that. We aren’t doing any flying in DCA in February either.


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March likely won’t be either. If things don’t start picking up by April / May I think more pain is coming.

They were 100pct funded. AA just didnt want to add to their debt load.
So not an issue with securing financing on them.

That’s a distinction, not sure it’s a difference

I heard PSA is picking up 20 used frames from Mesa and Skywest, anyone have a source or for that?

Here comes the rumor mill lol. Where’d you hear that from? An LCA who knows an LCA who knows a guy?

I’ve heard new frames coming but haven’t heard from where. The two most common rumors are Europe or Asia.

Heard it on facebook, tried to search around for something official and couldn't find anything.

If you heard it on the internet its got to be true

Maybe under lease from SkyWest Leasing?

Haven't been to DFW for a couple of months, big change since the last time is the droves of SKW 700s - I thought those were out of ORD, and DFW was all Mesa 900s?

They have been there for quite a while. (SKW) They opened a base there almost 3 years ago and I am certain its a CRJ 700 base strictly. Could be wrong though. Mesa has the majority of all AA 900s there especially since PSA isn't in and out of there anymore now.

talked to someone else about it since posting, might have been the timing that made it seem like there was a lot of them, but also they were parked in high B gates, where Mesa 900s usually park, that's probably why I noticed

PSA's official stance is no "new" airframes and no new bases in 2021. But yet to be over staffed for when Doug is ready to unleashe the onslaught of regional pukes upon the unsuspecting traveling public this spring/summer.

Back in October, American renegotiated the contract with Skywest. Now they’re going up to 90 700s for American from the current ~60 in operation. Prior to COVID, Envoy had 40 140s, those are all gone along with PSA’s 200s as you know and Skywest had some AA 200s which are now gone. Envoy, Republic and Skywest are all adding 175s for AA.

Envoy isn't adding any more 175's.

AA isn't spending a dime on new or used airplanes, that includes for their WO regionals. It adds to their already problematic debt load. The only growth will be by contract regionals that finance their own airplanes; Skywest, Republic and Mesa.

Financially, the wholly owned carriers are going down with the AAG ship.

Its kind of why I’ve been perplexed by all this talk of PSA getting airplanes. I realize that 99% of regular line pilots don’t quite grasp what is going on here but there aren’t likely to be any more growth opportunities at the WOs unless AA decides to shut one down and shift the flying to another WO.

yea that kind of confused me, the pre town hall speculation, "Are we going to get planes?" How about we focus on just doing things correctly and safely with what we've got and if demand returns and it happens, great.

I think that question stems more from people wondering WTF we have 15ish crew per airplane vs the industry standard 10ish, not because they "too stupid to understand what's happening"

We have that many crews because were inefficient because of SAP..at least that is what everyone tells me.

SAP does require more crews per plane. It doesn’t explain recalling everyone.

IF recalling everyone is rational, the facts are not all public.

We do need more crews because of SAP, but I don't buy that we need 50% more crews because of it.

meh, SAP is a Red Herring/Strawman.

There are a ton of airlines out there where you can literally drop all the way to 0 if you want to.

The companies hard on for getting rid of our best recruiting tool is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

But hey the world is full of people that believed it when Joe said "C'mon man, that's a lie" when Trump said Joe will ban fracking and here we are...

So if its 15 crew per airplane, doesn't that come out to roughly where we need to be given the amount of people on the seniority list right now? I'm showing 1800+ on the list right now, unless I'm missing something, which by all means clarify it, better to have accurate-ish info out there. According to the info in the town hall they wanted to have us able to fly the whole fleet by summer, so given the amount of training required, I'm guessing the people returning or being hired will be finished by the time summer rolls around or close to it.

ya know...the thing!

Mesa has SAP. 9.7 pilots per plane.

Recruiting is not going to be a challenge for quite some time. That isn’t a reason to keep SAP

Mesa has the kinda of SAP that makes PSA management green with envy. They’re absolutely incomparable.

No one has said anyone is “too stupid to understand what’s happening”. But I seem to see a whole lot of “hopium” being espoused on the line. IATA just revised its forecasted recovery for 2020 to 13% above 2020 levels rather than the 50% it prognosticated prior. Things are literally going from bad to worse as there are now more travel restrictions than there were in 2020. We’ll see some kind of recovery domestically by summer 2022 is my guess. Internationally who knows... 2024? 25? Countries will be in various stages of fighting the virus for a few years and there won’t be much uniformity in the government response to it.

When the government money runs out (and it will) then look out. Shake ups coming.

Yea, hence why ignored the comment. 2021 is on track to suck as badly 2020. Were F'ed if the summer doesn't pick up. Just my opinion, but seems reasonable.

edit: "were" includes the entire airline industry