Any rumors of class cancellations ?
#11
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Uh more like the opposite.
#13
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No. Just no. Sorry only reasoned I looked at PSA forum was curious for a friends kid who might be going. See 2008 example. Mesa, Republic all kept block hours. PSA and PDT then lost many block hours. Those fee for departure contracts always have and will have priority as long as FFD is around. Please don’t spread false information. Wholly owns have no block hour requirements and thus they are cut first to honor FFD carriers requirements.
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I’m not spreading false information.
1) ffd contracts may well have force majeure clauses. Do we have proof otherwise?
2) different industry situation than 2008. AA has more reason to protect the WO’s long term
3) this is a big shock and majors have been known to play rough. If a major could force a regional into Chapter 7 by shutting off payments, it might be a rational response. Skywest is too big and diversified for that, but for example Air Wisconsin is not. United could just walk away and poof, no more Air Wisconsin. A contract is only valuable if there’s someone with a means to enforce it
1) ffd contracts may well have force majeure clauses. Do we have proof otherwise?
2) different industry situation than 2008. AA has more reason to protect the WO’s long term
3) this is a big shock and majors have been known to play rough. If a major could force a regional into Chapter 7 by shutting off payments, it might be a rational response. Skywest is too big and diversified for that, but for example Air Wisconsin is not. United could just walk away and poof, no more Air Wisconsin. A contract is only valuable if there’s someone with a means to enforce it
#15
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You guys seem to think that reneging on a contract or declaring bankruptcy is quick, easy, or cheap. If one of the mainline carriers reneges on a contract, every contract for regional feed, along with contracts with who knows how many other kinds of vendors for the next 20 years will be much more expensive, because no other company will trust them not to do it again.
Cutting what you can cut legally is a much easier, cheaper, and safer way to cut costs.
Cutting what you can cut legally is a much easier, cheaper, and safer way to cut costs.
#17
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I’m not spreading false information.
1) ffd contracts may well have force majeure clauses. Do we have proof otherwise?
2) different industry situation than 2008. AA has more reason to protect the WO’s long term
3) this is a big shock and majors have been known to play rough. If a major could force a regional into Chapter 7 by shutting off payments, it might be a rational response. Skywest is too big and diversified for that, but for example Air Wisconsin is not. United could just walk away and poof, no more Air Wisconsin. A contract is only valuable if there’s someone with a means to enforce it
1) ffd contracts may well have force majeure clauses. Do we have proof otherwise?
2) different industry situation than 2008. AA has more reason to protect the WO’s long term
3) this is a big shock and majors have been known to play rough. If a major could force a regional into Chapter 7 by shutting off payments, it might be a rational response. Skywest is too big and diversified for that, but for example Air Wisconsin is not. United could just walk away and poof, no more Air Wisconsin. A contract is only valuable if there’s someone with a means to enforce it
To claim there’s clauses that don’t exist etc is false. AA isn’t filing bankruptcy. If that happened it’s all open but again that’d be a long ways out as of today. Reduced wholly own block hours isn’t. Understand?
#18
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What I am saying is that in extremis, the majors likely have tactically viable options if the choice is to throw themselves or someone else under the bus.
#19
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It certainly wouldn't be the first time PSA started furloughing right after hiring. I remember getting ready to fly out for an interview there and then hearing about furloughs as I was prepping. This was back in the bad old days of 2008.
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Maybe I could learn how to be a truck driver...
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