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03-27-2020, 03:49 PM

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Stratapilot

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

As someone who is very familiar with the process I can assure you... No one from management is pulling up APC going, “see... SEE! This is what they want! This is what I’ve been saying!”

It’s more like the 2 dudes from Jurassic Park. “See... Nobody cares”

I’d be thinking the management folks are going “OHMOGODOHMIGODOHMIGODWERESOOOOOOOOOSCREWED!!!” Right now and totally not thinking about this.

03-27-2020, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stratapilot

I’d be thinking the management folks are going “OHMOGODOHMIGODOHMIGODWERESOOOOOOOOOSCREWED!!!” Right now and totally not thinking about this.

They are glum.

03-27-2020, 05:25 PM

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PSA flows that are currently in training (haven't completed IOE) are technically allowed to flow back per the current LOA.

03-27-2020, 08:19 PM

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PSA flows that are currently in training (haven't completed IOE) are technically allowed to flow back per the current LOA.

don’t they have to washout?

03-27-2020, 08:24 PM

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don’t they have to washout?

Yes, although that is presumably within the control of people who wish to do so

I wouldn’t really call that flowing back. It is like deflowing or unflowimg or annulling your flow.

03-28-2020, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroTT

Yes, although that is presumably within the control of people who wish to do so

I wouldn’t really call that flowing back. It is like deflowing or unflowimg or annulling your flow.

that’s what I thought. There was an annulment window up to passing the LOE. It’s not a flow back. More accurately you haven’t left until the LOE at AA has been completed.

03-28-2020, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rdneckpilot

that’s what I thought. There was an annulment window up to passing the LOE. It’s not a flow back. More accurately you haven’t left until the LOE at AA has been completed.

If the recent PSA flows that have not finished OE were smart, they would take the unpaid one year leave and go back to PSA for a year while keeping their AA number. If they get furloughed within a year, they can hang tight at PSA at the top of the seniority list.

03-28-2020, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

Also worth reminding everyone, locking in the above contractual provisions would be huge in the current environment. We have no leverage. If this turns into an extended downturn then fully expect intense downward pressure on wages and contracts. Keep that in mind.

I doubt AA will furlough pilots unless they file chapter 11. How likely is chapter 11? That's anyones best guess and depends on travel demand coming back with the economy. If American is in Chapter 11, so is PSA.

03-28-2020, 08:36 AM

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What would it take for the union and PSA pilots to accept a limited number of potential furloughed AA former PSA flowbacks? All flow backs would be DECs of course and get their base of choice on the bottom of the captain list. Only former PSA flows could come back and the total number would have to get capped around 100-120. The PSA guys hired off the street at AA would not be eligible for flow back. Maybe you guys would accept in exchange for double flow when AA starts to hire again. All hypothetical considering AA probably won’t furlough. Understand it would be a 3-way Deal between PSA, PSA-ALPA and AA. Double flow sounds nice right?

03-28-2020, 09:49 AM

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I’d love to visit the planet you live on. There simply won’t be the same amount of demand for business travel (or leisure travel) on the backside of this. And our economy is going to be in a full-on recession. I’d say that demand eventually bounces back to about 75% of current by summer 2021. The likelihood of furloughs at the legacies is very high in my opinion. They’ll all likely survive this, albeit smaller. Meanwhile the ULCCs and Southwest are chomping at the bit to cut wide swathes of market share away from the legacies as opportunities present themselves. Some are already making strategic moves to do so (look at what’s happening in PHX).

Opportunities for growth and seniority movement / general hiring will be at the ULCCs, cargo, and Southwest. There will be mergers and acquisitions as a result of this. Legacies I would expect to be stagnant for the foreseeable future.