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Old 09-15-2020, 01:50 PM
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After our PSA MEC proposed some form of every temporary relief fellow ALPA carriers have negotiated, our management unfortunately has chosen to reject any kind of relief and insist upon permanent concessions. Thus all ~734 warned pilots will be furloughed.

It appears, then, we will join Air Wisconsin and Envoy as one of the few regionals to furlough on Oct 1. I hope prospective new hires keep this in mind when searching for the regionals they would like to work for.

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Pretty straightforward, this is their chance to break SAP.
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Originally Posted by Jdub2 View Post
After our PSA MEC proposed some form of every temporary relief fellow ALPA carriers have negotiated, our management unfortunately has chosen to reject any kind of relief and insist upon permanent concessions. Thus all ~734 warned pilots will be furloughed.

It appears, then, we will be the only regional to furlough on Oct 1. I hope prospective new hires keep this in mind when searching for the regionals they would like to work for.
no, air Wisconsin is furloughing 158.
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It appears, then, we will be the only regional to furlough on Oct 1. I hope prospective new hires keep this in mind when searching for the regionals they would like to work for.
Envoy's furloughing 227 last I heard
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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 View Post
no, air Wisconsin is furloughing 158.
Updated, thanks.

I thought they agreed to relief but I’m willing to admit I’m ignorant of the goings on at Envoy. Maybe I’m mixing them up with Piedmont
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Updated, thanks.

I thought they agreed to relief but I’m willing to admit I’m ignorant of the goings on at Envoy. Maybe I’m mixing them up with Piedmont
PDT got some sort of a flexible month by month thing I think.
ENY - 30-some furloughs were mitigated by senior pilots taking long term leaves of absence, 227 still on. Would have been more mitigated, but leaves weren't offered for all seats.
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Pretty straightforward, this is their chance to break SAP.
I agree with you. If it wasn’t for SAP, I think the company would have come to the table to negotiate in good faith. Maybe that is a naive take. I do know one thing though, SAP is a tool to have in our back pockets.
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I agree with you. If it wasn’t for SAP, I think the company would have come to the table to negotiate in good faith. Maybe that is a naive take. I do know one thing though, SAP is a tool to have in our back pockets.
Thirded. It’s hard to meet halfway though when they’re demanding we give up our biggest QOL tool permanently...
They had no desire to counter with even a deeply subpar offer after we said no to losing sap. Not really a negotiation more like a one sided lecture 🙄
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It seems likely to me that management’s insistence on not giving an inch means they know something about the future that the union absolutely does not. This is not a company that is acting a.) like one with anything that remotely resembles prosperity on the horizon or b.) like one that ever wants to attract pilots again. Draw your own conclusions, but I recommend everyone double down on a plan B outside of aviation.

Assuming (gladly) that this is overly pessimistic, I don’t think giving up SAP without anything in return is an acceptable course of action even in this climate. I’m glad the union clearly agrees.
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It is sounding a lot like what went down at ExpressJet. Management desperately wants something we're clearly not ready to give up. The next best option for management is to shut PSA down. I'll send a message to PDT and ENY about how a naughty kid gets treated.
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