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01-26-2022, 05:42 AM
#1131
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Position: B737 FO
Posts: 152
Originally Posted by WhyIFly
I hear that PSA is parking airplanes. Any truth to this?
If so, does this mean slower movement?
If so, does this mean slower movement?
01-26-2022, 06:02 AM
#1132
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I’ve said this before, but this is not a problem that can be fixed in DAY, this is all decisions that happen in DFW.
The only thing PSA could’ve done a while back was fix the reserve grid issues, but since they wanted their cake and to eat it too with regard to that and SAP they’re stuck with the contract is now. The net result of their position is that the company has very little credibility with that regard.
The union has seen some significant improvement on the credibility front, but most of that credibility is spent pointing out the obvious (attrition, flow, and what flows from that) because the company can’t really make any decisions without DFWs approval, and DFW is focused on other targets right now.
Really, the entire FFD segment is like Europe of early 1914 and we’re just waiting for Gavrilo Princip to do his thing.
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The only thing PSA could’ve done a while back was fix the reserve grid issues, but since they wanted their cake and to eat it too with regard to that and SAP they’re stuck with the contract is now. The net result of their position is that the company has very little credibility with that regard.
The union has seen some significant improvement on the credibility front, but most of that credibility is spent pointing out the obvious (attrition, flow, and what flows from that) because the company can’t really make any decisions without DFWs approval, and DFW is focused on other targets right now.
Really, the entire FFD segment is like Europe of early 1914 and we’re just waiting for Gavrilo Princip to do his thing.
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01-26-2022, 06:46 AM
#1133
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
I’ve said this before, but this is not a problem that can be fixed in DAY, this is all decisions that happen in DFW.
The only thing PSA could’ve done a while back was fix the reserve grid issues, but since they wanted their cake and to eat it too with regard to that and SAP they’re stuck with the contract is now. The net result of their position is that the company has very little credibility with that regard.
The union has seen some significant improvement on the credibility front, but most of that credibility is spent pointing out the obvious (attrition, flow, and what flows from that) because the company can’t really make any decisions without DFWs approval, and DFW is focused on other targets right now.
Really, the entire FFD segment is like Europe of early 1914 and we’re just waiting for Gavrilo Princip to do his thing.
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The only thing PSA could’ve done a while back was fix the reserve grid issues, but since they wanted their cake and to eat it too with regard to that and SAP they’re stuck with the contract is now. The net result of their position is that the company has very little credibility with that regard.
The union has seen some significant improvement on the credibility front, but most of that credibility is spent pointing out the obvious (attrition, flow, and what flows from that) because the company can’t really make any decisions without DFWs approval, and DFW is focused on other targets right now.
Really, the entire FFD segment is like Europe of early 1914 and we’re just waiting for Gavrilo Princip to do his thing.
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With staffing as bad as it is every trip should be built out to as close to maximum block hours as 117 will allow. Because as it stands I expect to be sitting in the hotel room in Appleton for thirty hours reading emails begging Captains to pick up open time.
Even at 300% pay a nine and a half hour four day is really not worth my time.
01-26-2022, 07:09 AM
#1134
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
It's hard to have much sympathy for the company when my round one line had a single four day worth more than twenty hours, and two trips with thirty hour plus overnights.
With staffing as bad as it is every trip should be built out to as close to maximum block hours as 117 will allow. Because as it stands I expect to be sitting in the hotel room in Appleton for thirty hours reading emails begging Captains to pick up open time.
Even at 300% pay a nine and a half hour four day is really not worth my time.
With staffing as bad as it is every trip should be built out to as close to maximum block hours as 117 will allow. Because as it stands I expect to be sitting in the hotel room in Appleton for thirty hours reading emails begging Captains to pick up open time.
Even at 300% pay a nine and a half hour four day is really not worth my time.
01-26-2022, 07:12 AM
#1135
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
It's hard to have much sympathy for the company when my round one line had a single four day worth more than twenty hours, and two trips with thirty hour plus overnights.
With staffing as bad as it is every trip should be built out to as close to maximum block hours as 117 will allow. Because as it stands I expect to be sitting in the hotel room in Appleton for thirty hours reading emails begging Captains to pick up open time.
Even at 300% pay a nine and a half hour four day is really not worth my time.
With staffing as bad as it is every trip should be built out to as close to maximum block hours as 117 will allow. Because as it stands I expect to be sitting in the hotel room in Appleton for thirty hours reading emails begging Captains to pick up open time.
Even at 300% pay a nine and a half hour four day is really not worth my time.
Plus their ridiculous flow improvement based on unrealistic retention numbers, I updated my apps that day. Glad I'm gone.
01-26-2022, 07:19 AM
#1136
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Psa new hire
Originally Posted by Approach1260
It's hard to have much sympathy for the company when my round one line had a single four day worth more than twenty hours, and two trips with thirty hour plus overnights.
With staffing as bad as it is every trip should be built out to as close to maximum block hours as 117 will allow. Because as it stands I expect to be sitting in the hotel room in Appleton for thirty hours reading emails begging Captains to pick up open time.
Even at 300% pay a nine and a half hour four day is really not worth my time.
With staffing as bad as it is every trip should be built out to as close to maximum block hours as 117 will allow. Because as it stands I expect to be sitting in the hotel room in Appleton for thirty hours reading emails begging Captains to pick up open time.
Even at 300% pay a nine and a half hour four day is really not worth my time.
The unfortunate reality is that pairings still have to comply with Section 12, 117, etc, and when we’re planned around the mainline schedule, AND all flying in and out of CLT is padded because of the ramp there, there are going to be outliers in trips.
Without knowing the credit distribution of the entire set of trips for a given bid period, and taking into account that our two round bidding system slices and dices trips into the inefficiencies you note, one example doesn’t really tell the whole story.
The problem though is the company wanted to jump right into fixing those issues via PBS without having enough self awareness to realize that the pilot group has very little faith in the company, AND simultaneously hyping the advantages of SAP to new hire pilots while trying to gut it through negotiations.
The fact that they were expecting ST and JD to just deliver it for them, with the former pilot double dipping without a medical, shows how short sighted they were and didn’t have enough situational awareness to realize what they wanted was NEVER going to get past a pilot vote, ST’e machinations notwithstanding.
In short, it’s a lot more complicated that just “build better pairings,” but the company was operating like they wanted to score a home run in the first five minutes of a Tinder date vs the eHarmony approach that the pilot group was looking for.
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01-26-2022, 07:31 AM
#1137
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
The unfortunate reality is that pairings still have to comply with Section 12, 117, etc, and when we’re planned around the mainline schedule, AND all flying in and out of CLT is padded because of the ramp there, there are going to be outliers in trips.
Without knowing the credit distribution of the entire set of trips for a given bid period, and taking into account that our two round bidding system slices and dices trips into the inefficiencies you note, one example doesn’t really tell the whole story.
The problem though is the company wanted to jump right into fixing those issues via PBS without having enough self awareness to realize that the pilot group has very little faith in the company, AND simultaneously hyping the advantages of SAP to new hire pilots while trying to gut it through negotiations.
The fact that they were expecting ST and JD to just deliver it for them, with the former pilot double dipping without a medical, shows how short sighted they were and didn’t have enough situational awareness to realize what they wanted was NEVER going to get past a pilot vote, ST’e machinations notwithstanding.
In short, it’s a lot more complicated that just “build better pairings,” but the company was operating like they wanted to score a home run in the first five minutes of a Tinder date vs the eHarmony approach that the pilot group was looking for.
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Without knowing the credit distribution of the entire set of trips for a given bid period, and taking into account that our two round bidding system slices and dices trips into the inefficiencies you note, one example doesn’t really tell the whole story.
The problem though is the company wanted to jump right into fixing those issues via PBS without having enough self awareness to realize that the pilot group has very little faith in the company, AND simultaneously hyping the advantages of SAP to new hire pilots while trying to gut it through negotiations.
The fact that they were expecting ST and JD to just deliver it for them, with the former pilot double dipping without a medical, shows how short sighted they were and didn’t have enough situational awareness to realize what they wanted was NEVER going to get past a pilot vote, ST’e machinations notwithstanding.
In short, it’s a lot more complicated that just “build better pairings,” but the company was operating like they wanted to score a home run in the first five minutes of a Tinder date vs the eHarmony approach that the pilot group was looking for.
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Well management has made their bed and now they've gotta sleep in it. I guess we'll see if they get desperate enough to offer enough to keep the operation moving before we run out of enough Captains to be viable anymore.
AA either needs to do something drastic or figure out how to fill a 787 without regionals bringing passengers to the hubs.
01-26-2022, 09:26 AM
#1139
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm
9.5 hour 4 day trip at 300%. That would be a 28.5 hour four day. Pretty hard to beat that at any airline, including a legacy. And considering PSA Captain pay is more than most legacy first year FO pay, maybe you are in the wrong career.
When I left PSA 20-28 hour 4 days were around. Whatever AA did with your schedules is an abomination.
01-26-2022, 11:11 AM
#1140
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Originally Posted by Approach1260
Yeah it definitely is a more complicated problem than I made it seem.
Well management has made their bed and now they've gotta sleep in it. I guess we'll see if they get desperate enough to offer enough to keep the operation moving before we run out of enough Captains to be viable anymore.
AA either needs to do something drastic or figure out how to fill a 787 without regionals bringing passengers to the hubs.
Well management has made their bed and now they've gotta sleep in it. I guess we'll see if they get desperate enough to offer enough to keep the operation moving before we run out of enough Captains to be viable anymore.
AA either needs to do something drastic or figure out how to fill a 787 without regionals bringing passengers to the hubs.
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