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Old 11-24-2021, 08:32 AM
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United Airlines was forced to cut service to 11 secondary cities across the midwestern USA beginning in January due to the pilot shortage, the companyís chief executive officer says.

ďItís down to pilots,Ē Scott Kirby tells viewers of the Skift Aviation conference on 17 November. The pilot shortage is now real, we donít have enough pilots to fly all the airplanes. Itís very simple.Ē


https://www.flightglobal.com/network...146481.article

I listened to this interview with Kirby. Probably not a surprise, but he mentioned that with the shortage at the regionals, the 50 seat flying is the first to go.
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Old 11-25-2021, 03:58 AM
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Because heavy growth and attrition is required to have a successful career there. If you get hired by an LCC and they quit growing you will have 0 movement based on pilots turning 65. Every company canít double in size forever, and if the contract is on par then that shuts down attrition. Someone will have a stagnant career there, just no one knows when that pilot was/will be hired.
and that's different than anywhere else how?

'muricans retirements look good on paper, dude did a breakdown on the FB group, its still good movement but not as great as it would seem from a purely 15000 pilots minus 6000 retiring simple math perspective. In other words, if you want to be LGA 737 Captain in <1 year you can do it, still looking at 7+ years to widebody FO that flies regularly if that's your thing, talk about stagnant - widebody seniority list is as stagnant as it gets. United has the largest widebody fleet and its no different.
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Old 11-25-2021, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by OpieTaylor View Post
Because heavy growth and attrition is required to have a successful career there. If you get hired by an LCC and they quit growing you will have 0 movement based on pilots turning 65. Every company canít double in size forever, and if the contract is on par then that shuts down attrition. Someone will have a stagnant career there, just no one knows when that pilot was/will be hired.
I see your point. But a call from a legacy is not guaranteed either so sometimes it s the only choice. And flow for a new hire is laughable. So a ULCC is still light years better than a regional.
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Old 11-25-2021, 05:10 AM
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and that's different than anywhere else how?

'muricans retirements look good on paper, dude did a breakdown on the FB group, its still good movement but not as great as it would seem from a purely 15000 pilots minus 6000 retiring simple math perspective. In other words, if you want to be LGA 737 Captain in <1 year you can do it, still looking at 7+ years to widebody FO that flies regularly if that's your thing, talk about stagnant - widebody seniority list is as stagnant as it gets. United has the largest widebody fleet and its no different.
Thereís guys at United and Delta getting awarded the 767 in a year or so. Not sure why AA is so much different.
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Old 11-25-2021, 05:26 AM
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Thereís guys at United and Delta getting awarded the 767 in a year or so. Not sure why AA is so much different.
widebody fo that flies regularly is different from widebody FO
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Originally Posted by CRJdriver2017 View Post
Thereís guys at United and Delta getting awarded the 767 in a year or so. Not sure why AA is so much different.

And no more Group 3 Aircraft (757/767) at AA either. Also as I understand it a factor in their LCA retention issues.


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Old 11-25-2021, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeroTT View Post
widebody fo that flies regularly is different from widebody FO
To each their own I suppose. I wouldnít be surprised if people didnít care if they flew or not once they got that legacy job. You get paid the wide body rate either way and most people arenít building time for anything else. Yet at the regionals Iím trying to suck up every hour of TPIC I can.
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There’s guys at United and Delta getting awarded the 767 in a year or so. Not sure why AA is so much different.
from internal friends that is supposedly an anomaly but yes as pointed out a regularly flying widebody FO and widebody FO two different things... difference being going to the sims every 90 days versus not going to the sims every 90 days. for some its a non issue some people get all uptight around sim instructors, for some they can go 90 days without touching an airplane and go in and execute in the sims no problem, some people may dequal and go into a non pay status, some people don't mind sitting reserve for 7+ years.... YMMV
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Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
and that's different than anywhere else how?

'muricans retirements look good on paper, dude did a breakdown on the FB group, its still good movement but not as great as it would seem from a purely 15000 pilots minus 6000 retiring simple math perspective. In other words, if you want to be LGA 737 Captain in <1 year you can do it, still looking at 7+ years to widebody FO that flies regularly if that's your thing, talk about stagnant - widebody seniority list is as stagnant as it gets. United has the largest widebody fleet and its no different.
Small correction: FedEx has the largest widebody fleet. And guys with less than 6 months on the property can hold a line right now, even in the 777.
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