AtlCSIP

The media NEVER gets it wrong, do they?

(Obviously kidding)

JetPipeOverht

The trim idea is interesting, could've been set too high on the edge of the green and in an effort to fix this , MID TAKEOFF , they adjusted the flaps ? Again, purely speculation.

flycrj200

Are you for real? correct it on the roll! You are at fault as much as the captain if you did not do anythig about this, that is if your story is true.

mooney

Would you like to read into my statement a little more as to what I did/did not do? Want a 5 page essay on the entire pairing minute by minute? Can you tell me right now where my fault was?
I also didn't tell you what I ate for lunch that day. That doesn't mean I didn't eat.
Read what's on the screen, and only what's on the screen.


if my story is true....
yeah i love coming on an "anonymous" forum and wasting time making up stories. Gimme a little credit for having more of a life than that......

NoStep

A big fat +1 , IrishTiger...and the article said the nose was coming up @ 100 MILES PER HOUR...course, I wouldn't expect the media to use "knots", but my B.S. meter is pegging with this article.

I don't buy the out of trim theory either...if I remember right, that's a parameter for Takeoff Config... (but then, it's been awhile since my last systems oral)

mooney

It is a parameter only if it is out of the green band. I have no idea what trim setting would lift the nose at 100 knots at whatever config/weight/cg they were in. But it's possible it could still be in the green

meyers9163

Perhaps we should wait and see what the NTSB/FAA have to say first? Last I checked media sources are not always the best..... Let alone perhaps we should be worried that now after the Colgan crash, USairways in the Hudson, and now PSA that there is information being leaked out according to these reporters? Hmmm... And the common link would be the FAA/NTSB... Perhaps we should worry about why these orginizations are leaking out such information. Or why a writer is writing about something they have zer first had knowledge of and only a source claiming things.... Instead we rather just believe the media before any release from the NTSB/FAA on a prelim cause is even given???

Also just a random thing in reading this.... Anyone see the section about the crew talking during the takeoff roll? I have never had a single Captain talk during such a time.... Yet this crew is doing it and also experiences an accident??? I dont buy it... Perhaps the facts need to get out first before we say anything more.....

Airsupport

You are all missing the point of why I posted this. One of the first things that come out in all the recent incidents and accidents is that sterile cockpit procedures were not being followed. Right after the colgan accident there was a push to get the ability to listen to all cvr's and see if pilots were following faa sterile cockpit guidelines. Well that kind of died down and now we have another incident where the cause is more than likely going to be attributed to not following sterile cockpit procedures leading to a loss of situational awareness. I now feel that in short order the faa and companies will be able to download the cvr's and do spot checks on crews. Its coming and its going to be legislated.

Since we are talking about what happened here is my take on it. They probably took the runway with flaps 8. On the roll they realized they needed flaps 20. They moved the flaps to 20 and got a config warning. By this time there are at 100 kts flaps are moving and they are trying to abort.

IrishTiger

Possible.

That's an interesting point too. If the crew missed one thing (and major thing too) whats to say they didn't miss a couple of things.

That's kind of the same concept that JetPipeOvht said. But would moving the flaps between 8-20 give you a warning message? Both are allowable settings for takeoff. I don't know what it would do, but I would imagine it wouldn't freak out and start chiming if you moved it from 8 to 20 or vice versa. I've never contemplated actually doing that so I've never even thought about it. ha. Whenever I think of a wrong flap setting, I think of that poor Delta flight in Dallas. The flaps and trims are one of those things I try to triple check before we takeoff.

Ah, I didn't see the MPH part. so that's about 85 knots or so. Something is just not adding up. That's too slow for the nose to start coming off by itself isn't it? Even with a ridiculous trim setting. I don't know, but I'm really interested by this whole thing.

IBPilot

Uhh flyCRJ, why do you assume Mooneys is at fault too?
Does it say he rolled over and did what the captain asked? no.
For all you know he told the captain that he wasnt comfortable with that and that he would follow standard procedure. Why do you have to assume the negative in everyone?