Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1177502)

Well, her airline is one renowned for having the most "oldest" pilots of all, now that Comair has melted. Seems to me, she's making a case for her own demise.

Being a fresh young cart hitched to a team of old, broken-down, swayback nags economically destined for the glue factory is no place to be in the desperate streets of Merger City.

Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1177535)

neither is the bottom 1000 in a BK. You have a fleet of 40 year old planes, we have a fleet of 10 year old planes.

Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1177535)

I am just saying the facts jack, including our bleak future, but at least I can see it.

Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1177535)

Also the comair planes went to other airlines like ASA, the flying is still there, its just not at comair.

Also PDT is a lot older and tired of a fleet than Eagle.

Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1177571)

Agreed, but we're assuming a Parker controlled merger with mainline furlough protection. In a Horton controlled merger, then yes, my bet says 1000 furloughs are possible.



I understand, Jill. Mergers are usually not kind to labor. If AE didn't have 200 wobbly albatrosses combined with 700-1000 overpaid riders riding them, I'd feel differently about AE's prospects, merger-wise. AE pilots best bet is a stand-alone AA and then AE may indeed flourish, but I think a U merger is inevitable and would happen too soon for real benefit.



Yep, under ALPA's swiss-cheese scope, those planes could go to cheaper operators with cheaper pilots...................or, they could offer transfer for Eagle pilots at 1st year rates.

If given the choice, what would you think most would do..........1st year scale or Home Depot ?

"old and tired" has meaning, but "uneconomical and unneeded" has even more. AE is right up there with anyone on that.

Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1177616)

I agree, only thing about AE is the size, you can not replace our feed overnight, and the size to do it will be hard in the current, and upcoming pilot markets. For someone like PDT with a few dash's and a small size, it can happen much faster. Also Eagle will last the costs of the top in BK.

Can someone from PSA/PDT tell me what happened to your work rules and pay during CH11???

Same with Comair or Expressjet.

Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1177616)

I agree, only thing about AE is the size, you can not replace our feed overnight, and the size to do it will be hard in the current, and upcoming pilot markets. For someone like PDT with a few dash's and a small size, it can happen much faster. Also Eagle will last the costs of the top in BK.

Can someone from PSA/PDT tell me what happened to your work rules and pay during CH11???

Same with Comair or Expressjet.

Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1177616)

I agree, only thing about AE is the size, you can not replace our feed overnight, and the size to do it will be hard in the current, and upcoming pilot markets. For someone like PDT with a few dash's and a small size, it can happen much faster. Also Eagle will last the costs of the top in BK.

Can someone from PSA/PDT tell me what happened to your work rules and pay during CH11???

Same with Comair or Expressjet.

Originally Posted by fullflank (Post 1177645)

It's true that eagle is a large airlne that would be difficult to replace quickly. I will point out however that just a few years ago, AA tried to sell AE but could not find a buyer. AE is a money pit; like it or not. During this bankruptcy process, long before Doug will even think about swooping in, aircraft leases will be shed. Aircraft like 50 seats and smaller.

On another note, we can't repeat in public what is said in crew news, but I'll say that I get the impression from Dougs' PHX meeting that the MD-80s are going to be around for a awhile, in the event that there's a merger. Hence furlough protection for AA pilots.

Originally Posted by Mildred Pierce (Post 1177680)

I would love to see what Eagle's "profit" is from American's side of the books. They may very well be absorbing a loss. That would explain no takers for Eagle all these years.