Stand Strong PSA!
 

Sorry if this has already been covered, but rumor is US Air, after the failed attempt of a B-Scale at Eagle, is now coming to PSA for concessions in exchange for shiny jets. If this is the case, stand strong over there guys. We can't give anymore.

Yes they are coming for us now. No details yet, but psa and usairways management isn't calling meetings to negotiate raises. Unlike what happened at eagle though, I'm afraid in our case it will go to a pilot vote. That scares me.

It better not if we have to give up a single cent

No one knows anything. Anyone else to say other wise is speculating at the very least. I hope the NC at PSA and their pilots do what's best for them. From the email it sounds like nothing was said by USairways at all. So to come here and say cuts were asked for is trying to stir the pot for some unknown reason?

If they are not offering more to fly bigger airplanes, it's an effective pay cut.

I like your positive attitude, I really do. But you need to look at the facts. Your airline already has a pay scale for 76 seaters and you just recently signed a contract. US Airways management said that they are not guaranteeing airplanes unless said regional is willing to reduce cost trending towards Pinnacle. So PSA unless you have Pinnacle cost structure as far as pay rates you will be asked for concessions. And please don't fall for the whole B scale fiasco, because it will become the scale for current pilots along with new hires. By the end of next week this thread will be singing a different song one way or the other.

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Actually I have to agree with WHAT. By process of deduction, there is actually nothing realistic that these meetings could be for other than concession talks. Sure, theres standard deviation built in, but thats like a .004 percent chance that management wants to meet to offer bonuses for a job well done. Its safe to assume at this point that our NC committee was invited to renegotiate our terms, again not for the better.

Making an LOA to allow extra IOE or withholding of lines for training etc would require such. That wouldn't mean concessions etc. Asking for help to recruit pilots from our group to staff planes could also be asked for. Changing the job progression clause to suit the new AA would require meeting. I can think of as many reasons not negative as I can positive. So again to come here saying, "I hear PSA was asked for concessions" is again nothing but a move to stir the pot.

You're optimistic. I get it. But you need to take a look at the big picture here. Management wants profit margins like delta is projecting. Eagle did all that they could to find a creative way around a b-scale, but in the end the company was stubborn. They think the only way to get results is to have low pilot costs. They just don't get it. Their copycat style reeks of AMR's business plan over the last decade; Follow Delta and avoid being original like the plague.

But sure, they're probably talking to you guys because they want you all to flow to mainline on monday with your current pay step.

I never said I heard PSA was asked for concessions, i think -:p

You need to look outside of your airline and see what management is doing. Doug Parker said that he won't guarantee aircraft to the regional that wasn't willing to follow Pinnacle's cost structure. Second, US Airways management, PSA management and the Union don't meet all together in expedited "negotiations" for an LOA. Management is not going to decide wether or not to place the aircraft at PSA based on an LOA. This is about money, it always has been about money and it always will be about money. GO back and read your union letter, if you don't have it I will gladly provide it for you. Your union is telling you between the lines that they weren't given a specific deal but that they are not willing to accept a take it or leave it deal or a B scale. in other words they have been told that they are looking to reduce pilot cost at your airline. Read the second to last paragraph where the union tells you again that their goal is make PSA a place for people to come work.

Like I said, I like your positive attitude but we have seen this so many time, it plays over and over again but the biggest fact is that management already said they are on a hunt for concessions that resemble Pinnacle. They said this to all the regionals, PSA happens to be next on the calendar.

Delta worked hard at getting the Pinnacle rates. They even went as far as closing down Comair to do so. What is Airways going to do? Do they think they can just talk us into concessions? Remember in order for Delta to get Pinnacle rates they had to put Pinnacle into bankruptcy. We are not in that position. Airways spent almost 5 years negotiating a new PSA contract. That was all the concession i am willing to make.

And I hope the PSA NC realizes that what's best for the industry is best for them!

I will say it again, they come to the owned regionals because they don't have to negotiate with management, they own management. Why does not Parker go to one of the non owned regionals feeders and try this, because he does not control that management. Parker and the rest don't have balls, they try to manipulate the owned regionals one against the other. American used to try that all the time with the separate eagles owned. The one thing always that you could guarantee is that the alpa carriers always fought each other to see who will be first to the bottom.

Same thing happening with the airlines owned by Skywest inc. It's a double whipsaw for us.

Yet another case where we need to thank pinnacle guys...

How's Seattle? I heard they have the best coffee?:rolleyes:

Oh and u can vote no.

But but, when the Airline Managers Union meets in Dayton its "SUPER SECRET!!!" don't ya know

That's alpa for you.