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09-25-2013, 02:42 AM

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CaptKrunch

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Do you guys at Skywest even get to vote on stuff like this? Or is it management says yes to airways for a rate and it is up to Skywest to figure the cost out later. I don't remember Mesa voting on if they wanted to fly 170's for united. Lastly I don't know where the pay cut ideology is coming from we already have a 700/900 rate and the TA doesn't change that. We fly all aircraft at a blended rate so for every large aircraft on property the pay rate as a whole goes up incrementally. The crap of this TA comes in with the pay caps and adjustments to medical bennies. So if your going to hate the TA hate it for the real reasons not what is floating around on this message board.

09-25-2013, 02:59 AM

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JustAMushroom

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PeopleMover90

Seems real 50/50 out there. If anything 60/40 in favor.

So... A company that is not bankrupt, at a time of increasing profits and reducing labor supply is asking for concessions and the pilots are even close to agreeing with it? What is this? The twilight zone? What is the upside for pilots here? Serious question.

And yes, can someone post the TA?

09-25-2013, 03:13 AM

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JustAMushroom

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Originally Posted by CaptKrunch

A little bit of both. The company bids on RFP's and if accepted the company figures out how to make a profit on the rate agreed to by the two company's. Then SkyWest (or any contractor) will go to the pilots for rates (if not previously set). The pilots have zero say if the company wants to buy 100 E-jets or 100 737's. They don't dictate what color to paint the planes either.

At SkyWest the pilot reps will negotiate on their behalf and when something is agreeable it is put out to the pilots as a whole to vote on. Several proposals have passed and several have been kicked back. Despite what others on this board say its a pretty standard procedure. There are differences from unionized carriers, primarily the sense of trust to bargain faithfully on both sides.

09-25-2013, 03:42 AM

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Phuz

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Brownstreak.

Nuff said.

09-25-2013, 04:49 AM

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SkylineAviation

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Originally Posted by TMoney

I hope everyone is trying to reach out to any PSA folks they know to make sure everyone is aware of the Stop The Whipsaw movement. I don't know why someone wouldn't want to better the industry across the board. One guess is that some of the PSA guys are unaware. Also, I noticed in another thread that PSA guys were getting upset that outsiders would try to influence their vote. Don't get upset. You should be emboldened and empowered by how many pilots are supporting you to NOT take a paycut! Who wouldn't want to band together to improve life for everybody?? It seems so short sided and closed minded to not get behind this movement. I'll vote no and encourage anyone else here at SkyWest to do the same. I'll push for a union (probably not ALPA) if need be because all our respective companies, every single one, is posting huge profits. We should be getting raises. Especially if it's to fly bigger a/c.

I would bet that the majority of the pilots at PSA are aware of STW. Like you mentioned, many guys on another thread were getting defensive and angry about other people's opinions regarding their TA. Therefore you can't give them the excuse that they aren't aware or aren't informed. Most yes voters are very aware of their decision and are in denial or just can't wait to see that great big RJ.

If you ask them, they will tell you it is providing "job security" or some other crap. Or that they don't want to be shut down in 2020. Most know how ridiculous that sounds but I kid you not, go back and read the other thread and you will see words and phrases like that thrown around.

It will be a shame if that passes. After posting this I'm just wait to see the defense that will be put up by a few saying how this TA is "not that bad" or some other lame excuse.

09-25-2013, 04:53 AM

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Quote from PSA CA talking to, who appeared to be, a fairly junior FO in the CLT crewroom the other day....

"We just need to get the airframes on property and we can figure the rest out later."

If you recognize this to be you....F*CK YOU.

Last edited by exdashtrash; 09-25-2013 at 04:53 AM. Reason: I can't english this AM

09-25-2013, 05:06 AM

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Ramprat

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They all say that. You think they would have learned by now with PSA management, there is no "later."

09-25-2013, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by PeopleMover90

Seems real 50/50 out there. If anything 60/40 in favor.

This tool is a disgrace to the profession. pm90 is the biggest cheerleader out there.

09-25-2013, 05:24 AM

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pagey

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Originally Posted by SkylineAviation

Most yes voters are very aware of their decision and are in denial or just can't wait to see that great big RJ.

I can assure you that no one is voting yes because they "just can't wait to fly a 900."

Stop being dramatic.

09-25-2013, 05:31 AM

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WmuGrad07

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This TA doesn't guarantee anything besides loss of benefits, and the possibility of flying larger planes. Even if they get just one plane, everyones wages go down. What a joke.