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PSAJOBS 09-11-2015 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by airlinegypsy (Post 1968763)
Not according to ENY company communications. Either Parker is lying to you or to us.

Again I ask to show me. Not hard if it's out there.

airlinegypsy 09-11-2015 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by PSAJOBS (Post 1968732)
You may believe he said that. Show me where he said that.

From our 8/14 News Blast:

While he had nothing definitive to announce, Pappaioanou [VP-Legal] said Envoy is working all possible angles to perhaps secure the new aircraft AAG is purchasing for delivery to carriers who can’t provide adequate staffing. He also said Envoy has the crews to make CRJ-700 aircraft productive at Envoy into 2018 and maybe longer.

PilotJ3 09-11-2015 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by airlinegypsy (Post 1968763)
Not according to ENY company communications. Either Parker is lying to you or to us.

I will say this again,

They can't and will not make an announcement like this, the company cannot lose PSA pilots because suddenly they are not getting those 35 planes that quickly. AAG will not give positive news to one carrier and bad news to the other. Parker have us where he wants us...

PSA is cheap labor, 1 year CA at PSA flying a CR9 is way cheaper than a 7-8yr FO upgrading in Envoy to fly a e-145.
Envoy and PDT moving expensive pilots to AA to eventually get cheap labor. Once the last flowthru of the Protected Pilots leave, classes at AA will be the same size for each WO.

He will not say "ohhh btw Envoy is keeping the CRJs until 2018", because PSA will have more trouble with recruitment.

mr25cents 09-11-2015 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by PSAJOBS (Post 1968770)
Again I ask to show me. Not hard if it's out there.

I thought that was common knowledge? Oh well, they'll tell you guys soon enough.

Lvlng4Spd 09-11-2015 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by mr25cents (Post 1968839)
I thought that was common knowledge? Oh well, they'll tell you guys soon enough.

Yet every time I commute on PSA, it seems to be another ex-Envoy aircraft. It must be magic, the airplanes aren't going but yet they are. Denial is reality I guess...god those fabric seats are terrible too.

airlinegypsy 09-11-2015 08:04 AM

They've never said anything about stopping the transfer of the first 12. Its the remaining 35 that will stay through 2018.

Ex lurker 09-11-2015 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd (Post 1968852)
Yet every time I commute on PSA, it seems to be another ex-Envoy aircraft. It must be magic, the airplanes aren't going but yet they are. Denial is reality I guess...god those fabric seats are terrible too.

Fabric seats?

FlameNSky 09-11-2015 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by Ex lurker (Post 1968677)
The whipsaw days are over.

For the near future, yes. But remember, the CEOs of these companies are thinking 10, 20, 30 years in the future. Why do they just offer bonuses instead of just increasing pay? Why does Parker offer flows or guaranteed interviews instead of just bringing the regionals into the mainline fold? They know eventually, all the retiring mainline pilots will have been replaced, and all the movement (over a decade or more) will attract a whole new generation of pilots hoping to move quickly to mainline but eventually the music will stop. When that time comes, they will attempt to regain the cheap regional labor model that they have enjoyed for the last 20 years.

Mark my words, in 15 - 20 years, when all the mainline retirements stop, you will see a regrowth of the regional feed while mainline seniority lists stagnates.

Lvlng4Spd 09-11-2015 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by Ex lurker (Post 1968883)
Fabric seats?

Yeah they are the old style seats, not totally vinyl/leather wrapped. The big eagle mascot on the front left bulkhead really completes the prize...not sure why they kept that. The airplane could be newer than the stock PSA 7s, I really have no idea and could care less, except for those damn seats.

pagey 09-11-2015 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by airlinegypsy (Post 1968773)
From our 8/14 News Blast:

While he had nothing definitive to announce, Pappaioanou [VP-Legal] said Envoy is working all possible angles to perhaps secure the new aircraft AAG is purchasing for delivery to carriers who can’t provide adequate staffing. He also said Envoy has the crews to make CRJ-700 aircraft productive at Envoy into 2018 and maybe longer.

This just says "We have enough crews" there is nothing that says "we are keeping those acft".


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