It's active the day you put it in.

Does PSA have a commuter clause? If this has been answered I havnt found it yet. Thanks in advance for the information.

Yes. List for 2 flights with open seats.

Here is the contract.

http://psa.alpa.org/LinkClick.aspx?f...t=KcCmHqrbuGA=

And I think an open seat is also considered the jumpseat.. So in reality, it's just 2 flights

Does that mean as long as I list 2 flights, and for some reason I don't make it to work because all seats inc. Jump seats were full, given that I showed up for the flights on time, the company wouldn't hold it against me?

Affirm, they will let you join the trip when you can. I've heard of guys calling scheduling to let them know they might not get on and they positive space the commuter.


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What do you mean by positive space commuter? Excuse me for not being familiar with it. I guess I'll learn when I join you all!

If you call crew scheduling and tell them that the second flight that you listed is now full, and you will not make it to work, they can choose to "positive space" you on that flight. You will get a real ticket and you will be considered "must fly". This is like dead heading. You have a guaranteed seat and they will bump a paying passenger.

It doesn't always happen, but I have heard this as well.

When you deadhead, you are listed as "positive space". You have a guaranteed seat on the flight. Last week I deadheaded 3 or 4 times, and they were all full flights that were oversold.

Oh wow that's pretty good.

So either you don't make it to work and they get you the next available schedule
OR
Positive space = get you a paid seat

Thanks for the clarification.

Im not saying that it happens a lot. I have never commuted here, so I can not tell you how often it happens. I have heard about it, but that is it.

When they Deadhead you, they have to positive space you, that is in the contract.

Thank you very much for the contract link CLTGUY.

From what I've seen on aviationinterview.com all applicants have 1500 or more at the time of their interviews.

Does anyone know if I Would be able to apply and get an interview now and schedule my class for in 2-3 months? I have 170hours to go which translates into 2, maximum 3 months before hitting 1500.

Thanks in advance

They used to do it (several months ago), but not sure now. I would imagine that it is not a problem. Just be sure to explain what you are doing to get hours and when you will be done.

Because I enjoy good QOL of life here. 3 weeks vacation and weekends off. Reserve captain pay vs my current pay is not that much more. Plus, it is extremely risky. A risk that I am not so sure is worth it. If you can't staff, or the contracts get cancelled or delayed, I'd be ****ed. Plus I want to go to American, so why would I want to wait behind a thousand people? Training pay and first year pay would not be possible for more then a few months. Plus, I'm worth a hell of a lot more then first year pay. One minute I'm wanting to do it, then the next I don't. I mean if every major is going to need hundreds of pilots a month soon, is it even worth the hit in QOL when I could still get hired by someone anyway?

I think that some people are a little too overzealous about their company. It is not for everyone. You have to evaluate it and make the decision for yourself.

PSA works for some people, but it is not great for everyone. If it does work for you, no problem. There are some good benefits right now and some guys that have made lateral moves have really lucked out. They went from a 5 year upgrade directly to the left seat, and pay increased from $40 to $65 per hour.

But wouldn't they be on reserve forever? Being that they are junior to everyone. I'd really like to get some input from those people you mentioned

Absolutely. That goes without saying. You will be on reserve for quite awhile (about a year, most likely). If you want TYS or DAY, the reserve will likely be less time that CLT. If you were already in class, your reserve time will be much less than if you start class 6 months from now. From here on out, it depends on attrition and the SSP. If the SSP goes to 100+ per year, that will help keep that time down.

Those that jumped ship early are the biggest winners. Although the fast upgrades are far from over, those the will upgrade quickly and not be on reserve for a year have likely passed.

So was it ever decided that you need 300 hours with the company before you upgrade? My buddy told me that new hires with the time were upgrading right out of IOE. The only way I'd take the job is for the left seat. There's no way I'd take it for a FO position

As a former 121 guy looking at going back to the airlines I must admit that PSA has my attention due to its growth and time to upgrade. After 9 years at Transstates, 5 years as chief pilot corporate 91 ops, and currently running my own aircraft management company I dont look through rose colored glasses anymore lol. The instability of corporate work is what has me looking again. Aside from the growing pains at PSA im curious how the quality of life and relationship with management is otherwise? How well do they follow the contract? Do they have any intention of getting something like the Lufthansa system that basically takes care of all the pay issues once lines are assigned. I know TSA is about to bring this online. Is prefbid in the possible future? Is CLT a long term domicle as best as anyone can tell? TSA was know to open and close bases too frequently back in the day. Fun group of folks to fly with that can enjoy the flying even with the stress' this type of work brings?

If you can reasonably certain of when you'll have the 1500 hrs then yes, go ahead and apply. You must articulate your situation and clearly state the date you'll have 1500 hrs.

we have done it many times.

I am prior 121 and am upgrading without the 300 hours. Some in my upgrade class literally finished OE over the weekend.

Answers that question. Thanks. If you don't mind me asking, how did you survive training pay? That is now really the only thing stopping me. Plus in a few years, we all be hired anyway regardless of PIC time. So its still a toss up

You get monthly minimum plus per diem during training, which works out to $3000 a month while you are in Dayton and Sims. Granted, when you are off and on the long vacations between training segments you only get guarantee.

Can anyone on here say what the take home is during this down time?

Basic guarantee after taxes

75 hours a month (~$1800).

Training pay was tough, but doable. I don't remember making 3000 a month though. I'd say it was closer to 2400. Per diem is only paid while you're in training, not during breaks such as the extensive OE wait, but you will get min guarantee on breaks. Without per diem I was bringing home probably 1400. I picked up a part time gig while I waited 6 weeks for OE which was awesome. The hotel for initial was right across from a wal-mart and tons of restaurants and we had fridges and microwaves. Lots of pbj's and yogurt, but again, nothing you haven't already been through. With the new upgrade mins you'll probably get your first CA check very quickly. PM me if you have other questions.

Gotta remember state taxes and health insurance once you hit 90 days. Maybe 1800 pre tax.

Be smart with your tax planning and you won't have that issue.

If you are just making first year FO pay, taxes end up being really little (if anything). Just be smart in your tax planning. I choose to take 6 deductions (5 kids plus head of household) during training and then decreased it to 2 (the correct number) once I hit the line. You can choose as many deductions as you want. They took out almost nothing during training. If you make less than $30k a year, you get just about all of it back anyways so it doesn't matter.

If they take out more each paycheck, that is fine, but you will get it back later. You are just giving the government a free loan of your money.

Also, if you are getting insurance for only yourself, it is cheaper to get insurance outside of the company. I sent the insurance package to a couple of insurance companies and asked for a quote for the same coverage. Both came back less. If you are getting insurance for your family, the company is likely cheaper.

+1 good advice

I am prior 121 as well. I was in the Dec. 8th new hire class and I'm still waiting to be scheduled for IOE. It seems many from the Nov. 10th class are either finished or very close. The majority of the Nov. 24th class is at least working on their IOE. Once I finish IOE I will be upgrading in the next vacancy available. Right now PSA is running two upgrade classes of 16 per month. I too made a lateral move after 7yrs with my previous company and I couldn't be happier with my decision so far. The paychecks have been painful compared to what I was used to, but it's a short term loss for long term gain. Right now I'm estimating being a reserve CA for 1-1.5 yrs. It may not be ideal, but I knew it coming in. Hope this helps. Good luck with your decision!

I find that very hard to believe, unless you're looking at the expensive plan, which doesn't make any sense to purchase anyway.

Single guy coverage under the less expensive plan is $110 a month, and I've been pretty pleased with it thus far.

The same plan with Blue Cross and Blue Shield is $78. Not a huge savings, but decent. It depends on age, medical conditions, etc...

Ya he's way off base there. There is absolutely no way you could find a better plan on the market. $500 deductible, $1500 max out of pocket, cheap rx, $20 doctor visits including specialists for $110/month.

No way bud

Thats fine. Look for yourself. Just send your plan info to a few providers and tell them that you want a quote for the same thing. If it less, then you can choose to save some $$$. If not, don't take it.

For me, I would waive the insurance, as I am currently on my wifes plan from her work.

Also, I am a TN resident, so no state income tax. I was wondering about that take home to just get a ballpark of takehome after its all done and over with. If I were to get hired, I was wondering what that would be while home between training cycles. Does the company have any restrictions on picking up side work?

How many planes on property? How many more to go? Any idea on the future of the -200s?

Number of Airplanes
January 1, 2015: 64
January 1, 2016: 101
January 1, 2017: 137
January 1, 2018: 150

The final composition will be: (35) CRJ 200's, (61) CRJ 700's, and (54) CRJ 900's

Currently adding at least 3 airplanes a month (a few months will have 4 deliveries). The last delivery will be in May 2017. We will accept our 30th CRJ 900 in May, and then start accepting the CRJ 700's that are coming from Envoy (and no, we are not happy to be taking airplanes from another company). After those 6 months of 700's come over, we take another 20 CRJ 900's, and then switch back to 700's.

The 200's are supposed to be here at least another 3 years.

You guys have been getting airplanes from another company since the Yes vote.

Dude, do you even payroll tax?
Be smart though.