PSA pay-to-play program
 

Unreal...has anyone looked at EagleJet's website recently (EagleJet is a notorious provider of "pay-to-play/pft" programs on Boeings/Airbuses, mostly in foreign countries where such things are legal):

Eagle Jet International, Inc.

Why am I not surprised to see Kit Darby affiliated with a pay-to-play scheme. To his credit, FAPA created a needed resource back in the day, but man, ya gotta know when to stop milking it!

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PSA pay-to-play program
 

Interesting..Is that a bombardier C series
they are showing there?

PSA pay-to-play program
 

Hahahahaha a flow through program to a regional. Sounds like ATP

300-500 hr A320 or B737 programs?! What airlines are actually a part of this?

None here in the US.

In the US, it's a cargo FO program in a seat that would otherwise go unoccupied.

In the end, people get all worked up over it for nothing, it's very rare to see an American in the program for the last several years.

This is NOT a PSA program. It is an Ameriflight program. You can "buy" the right seat in a Metroliner or BE99.

If you have 1250 hours of turboprop time with this program, PSA will give you an interview. That is it. You also get interviews with Republic and a couple other regionals, if you want them. Just read the website.

"At 1500 hours of total time, FLOW THROUGH to the right seat of a regional jet with PSA Airlines!"

R-O-F-L :eek::eek::eek:

"guaranteed interview with psa airlines prior to starting program and if successful, a conditional offer of employment with psa airlines contingent on finishing eagle jet international's program"


"Eagle Jet International is proud to announce that on September 10, 2013, we entered into an alliance and agreement to form a training and conditional offer of employment program with Republic Airways Holdings Inc."

My heavens, that's nauseating. This company and others like it are the bane of professional pilot development, and the pilot profession as a whole. Shearing sheep is all they are capable of.

Lion Air, Air Asia...you know, the ones putting planes in the ground left & right

Technical difference--PSA's name is smeared all over the site, and you have to actually go dig for the Republic page.

Also, it says Republic won't interview/provide a conditional job offer until you've completed 200 hours in their program--PSA's says they'll give you the interview/CJO before even starting.

So, technically, PSA's pay-to-play program has lower standards than Republic's. Just sayin'

I just find it nauseating any airline would affiliate itself with a company that sells FO jobs on 737s/Airbuses/ATRs.

Agreed. This is embarrassing.

I know that a few years ago, almost everyone that did this was a foreign pilot, and airlines paid for the training. The majority were KAL. The airline paid for all of their flight training, and then put them in the right seat of a turboprop for 1200 hours. The students were paid when they were in the program, and flew Metros for Ameriflight.

On a side note, I did meet Rick (the owner of Eagle Jet) several years ago. He is quite certainly a shady person. He embodies what is wrong with aviation in this country.

I do agree, but I doubt PSA really knows much about this. Rick Gabor, the owner of EagleJet, is a scumbag (am I allowed to use the word scumbag on here?). His main sell used to be that you would get a direct flow to Republic, and was just like what he is saying about PSA.

Here is the question, though: If someone has 1000 hours SIC in a turboprop while flying part 135, wouldn't you imagine that they would get an interview with any of the regionals anyways? Ameriflight has an opspec requiring a SIC in their equipment, so the FO can log the time as SIC. (This has been covered ad nauseam on JetCareers).

This is without a doubt the most confusing website I have ever visited. *** is this?

It goes on and on about how your going to get an interview with PSA/Republic before entering the program, but *** IS THE PROGRAM!? Seriously what the hell are you going to be flying here?

They talk about starting class, but what are you doing there? Are the Airline Pathway guys getting typed in RJs and getting sent off to Mexico an Chinca for a few months?

They talk about flying light piston all the way through heavy jet? Huh?

Maybe its just me, but if your going to have a program explain *** it is. Even the FAQs come nowhere close to answering my questions.

For the record I am already at a regional, I just think its ironic some major flight training institution has such an awful explanation of what any of their products/services offer.

If they're in the program that long, that might be the only interview they'll get, because the real question is if you're truly worth a pilot job, why didn't Amerflight hire you at 1200 hours? Then you could get paid to fly the last 300, and then have your choice of any regional you want or make over 50K a year in a type rated plane.

I don't see what's wrong with this program? You will basically become a restricted ATP at minimum when going to PSA. As for taking someone's job at Ameriflight, anyone can go there anytime they want regardless of this program.

When I was at AMF, I met many people in this program. Almost all of them were Korean. They would come to AMF with 250 hours and get type rated in a Metro or a 1900. They would sit in the right seat and log SIC time. Some were pretty good, and a really big help. Others were terrible and told not to touch anything. The 1900 and Metro are technically single pilot airplanes (most of the time), but AMF had some sort of ruling from the FAA to allow the FO to log time if there was one on the flight.

AMF does have a few paid FO's on the Brasilia, but that is it for guys with less than 1200 hours. Everyone else had to have 1200 hours to get a job. The vast majority of these guys were not authorized to work in the US, but instead were paid by their sponsor airline to be in this program.

These guys DO NOT take jobs from other pilots. If they were not paying money to be in those seats, then those seats would be empty. On the other hand, I would imagine that in the past several years that this program has been going on, the FO's have helped the Captains several times with callouts or altitude deviations or other such things that could have prevented an accident or a violation.

No one is taking anyone's job at Ameriflight. Most days I fly alone, no big deal if there's no FO. On the other hand, if you're qualified, Ameriflight needs pilots just as bad as anyone, and they can hire with lower time than the regionals.

No ATP written don't see the point.

What happened to just getting your CFI / CFII / MEI with around 300 - 350 hrs, and instructing until you have the 1500? You get paid for those last 1200 hrs, instead of paying for it. Go to a regional, hopefully upgrade in a few years, and move on to a major. I understand that this program is mainly set for foreigners that cannot instruct in the United States, but the fact that they are catering to Americans (hence the pitch to get you hired with PSA & RAH) says otherwise.

The cost never ends!!! Now it seems you have to go to a job fair ($150 - $250) plus hotel and travel expenses (another $100 - $150), and attend an interview prep course (another $200 - $500 plus travel and hotel expenses) to even have a remote chance at a major. This is in addition to the other 6 figures already spent just to get to the regionals. The Darby's of the world sure do seem to have this racket all hemmed up!

LOL, wow. This îs the equivalent of walking into a McDonalds Looking for a job and them saying "Before YOU get to flip a burger with us, YOU need to go to that hamburger shack around the corner and PAY THEM to teach YOU how to flip 1250 burgers before applying here"

First OFF, very few people have Any idea of how EASY it is to get an interview at a regional nowadays, and most people pick a regional based On the proximity to their Home without knowing any of the details divulged On forums like these.....that site is apparently Making people believe that their affiliation with PSA and Republic is a PRIVILEGE.

UH....LOL.