Envoy Flow Question
03-25-2017, 10:16 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
That guy you spoke with is misinformed. The only thing that changes as time goes on is the minimum percentage of pilots who are required to flow per month. But at no time can AA simply say no flows, unless they stop hiring. As long as AA is hiring flows are required to go as well.
In before everyone starts talking about post 9/11 broken promises...as if it has any bearing on the current situation.
In before everyone starts talking about post 9/11 broken promises...as if it has any bearing on the current situation.
AA hiring is based on the economy, which as we all know is a cycle. Once the economy turns south, the hiring will stop along with the flow through.
The gamble all new hires face is, do you think you can get hired and flow through before the economy turns? If you guess right, fantastic. If you guess wrong, you might end up stuck as an FO at step 4 pay without bonuses.
My advice would be to try to get on with a regional that offers good career advancement, but at the same time would be acceptable for the long term if needed. Also, don't underestimate quality-of-life issues.
03-25-2017, 11:24 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by pagey
Simply not the case anymore. To be honest this advice was probably prudent in like 2005, not anymore. AA is hanging a lot on it's "flow hat". They know if anything happens to the flow their precious WO feed will wither and die due to not being able to hire. It also keeps costs low at said WO. Id say the flow is pretty safe for the forseeable future.
The Compass pilots who got hired under the flow program flowed. Anyone hired after they were sold to TSH was never offered any flow.
The Compass pilots who got hired under the flow program flowed. Anyone hired after they were sold to TSH was never offered any flow.
As to your assessment about AA WO'd flow, I fully agree.
03-25-2017, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Abort
AA hiring is based on the economy, which as we all know is a cycle. Once the economy turns south, the hiring will stop along with the flow through.
The gamble all new hires face is, do you think you can get hired and flow through before the economy turns? If you guess right, fantastic. If you guess wrong, you might end up stuck as an FO at step 4 pay without bonuses.
My advice would be to try to get on with a regional that offers good career advancement, but at the same time would be acceptable for the long term if needed. Also, don't underestimate quality-of-life issues.
The gamble all new hires face is, do you think you can get hired and flow through before the economy turns? If you guess right, fantastic. If you guess wrong, you might end up stuck as an FO at step 4 pay without bonuses.
My advice would be to try to get on with a regional that offers good career advancement, but at the same time would be acceptable for the long term if needed. Also, don't underestimate quality-of-life issues.
03-25-2017, 01:28 PM
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Rumor- just a rumor- from an AA captain. Don't be shocked if they take away the flow. AA is struggling with the pilot shortage, but I guess some of the flow pilots have had a hard time transitioning. I don't know why and he didn't know why, but that's just what he said. ONLY A RUMOR.
03-25-2017, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by TBirdie
Rumor- just a rumor- from an AA captain. Don't be shocked if they take away the flow. AA is struggling with the pilot shortage, but I guess some of the flow pilots have had a hard time transitioning. I don't know why and he didn't know why, but that's just what he said. ONLY A RUMOR.
03-25-2017, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyvector
I can count on one hand, literally, the number of Envoy flows who didn't make it. And they all should have been axed at Eagle years ago..in other words, it's their own fault. Otherwise flows are thriving at AA..from Envoy and the other two as well. Sorry, bad rumor.
Yeah, it's just a rumor! The pilot shortage is here and think the majors may approve more flow throughs or partnerships just so they can get qualified pilots. The rumor just what this AA captain was telling me the other day...
03-25-2017, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TBirdie
Rumor- just a rumor- from an AA captain. Don't be shocked if they take away the flow. AA is struggling with the pilot shortage, but I guess some of the flow pilots have had a hard time transitioning. I don't know why and he didn't know why, but that's just what he said. ONLY A RUMOR.
03-25-2017, 01:58 PM
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For one thing, no mainline needs flow so it can find pilots. Anyone believing otherwise is an idiot. The ones that need flow is the regionals, and the flow is to attract new hires and for them not to leave until flow time.the only mainline with a truly flow is aa, all others are interview. The only regionals that have an actual flow is envoy, psa and pdt.
03-25-2017, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TBirdie
Rumor- just a rumor- from an AA captain. Don't be shocked if they take away the flow. AA is struggling with the pilot shortage, but I guess some of the flow pilots have had a hard time transitioning. I don't know why and he didn't know why, but that's just what he said. ONLY A RUMOR.
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