My logical pilot view that is 7 years away from an interview is this:

I'll format the book very nicely and get it printed and bound at something like Kinkos to take with me along with a flash drive containing the eLogbook and my supporting docs, scans of military flight records, as my logbook only contains line items of hours on each Zulu day.

I would think potential employers would like such organization and easily read format.


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This is all I can think of now, the single best pro and anti tip argument ever recorded. And in all fairness, he makes valid points. BTW, lots of profanity in the video, in case anyone's offended by that type of thing.

https://youtu.be/Z-qV9wVGb38

Not sure what your point is. When I was in the military, I got reimbursed for tips, and I tipped. Now that I don't get reimbursed, I don't tip. I am not a democrat, and if people out there want more money, they can get a better paying job, not a handout from me.

That being said, I have tipped drivers who did more than pick me up and drop me off. A brief tour of the area is always appreciated.

Soooo.... you'll tip with someone else's money but not your own. Sounds like you are solid in your convictions.

I'll listen... what's your reason for tipping?

When someone works in the service industry and does their job well, I will tip them. Are you letting these drivers load/unload your bags? That's not in their job description. Drivers get close to minimum wage, if they're busting ass, I'll tip. Do you not get enough per diem to spare $2/day?

You work in the service industry. You provide a service to travelers. Do you expect a tip?

Most drivers take my bags without me having a say. Some do it and when offered a tip, say no thank you. I admire them more.

I have never seen a driver busting ass. Never. I HAVE had a handful take me on a tour of the area on the way to the hotel, pointing out things to do and places to eat. Those drivers deserve a tip.

I don't get per diem, I get M&IE. And yes, M&IE is designed to cover tips, if paid. Nowhere does it say I should pay them.

Do you claim your tips on your taxes each year?

Nevermind. I knew it would be a waste of my breath. No, you can't claim tips on your taxes.

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT YOU GET PAID A LIVING WAGE!


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I literally had no point except providing the movie version of the argument being had here.

I give two craps if anyone here is tipping or not. Do what your paycheck/ religion/ conscience/ reasoning tell you to.

Once upon a time, I made minimum wage. And it sucked. No one paid me any tips. The only too I got was "Go to college and get a better job."

Seemed like sound advice, so I heeded it.

If tipping makes you feel better about yourself, then do it. Good on you. But don't put down others who choose not to. Fair enough?

So what you are really saying is the guys that work for Mesa should be getting tips and the rest of us shouldn't be getting them?

I still keep both a paper and digital logbook. While it's not a deal breaker either way it seems now days employers prefer a digital logbook. Not only is it a super clean format but a digital logbook pretty much eliminates any chance for mathematical errors. A good digital logbook has built in rules that ensure you're logging your time correctly. Granted with diligence it's nothing you can't do in a paper logbook. I hear stories from HR about guys coming in for an interview and the columns in their book have disparities of 50 hours or more and flights are incorrectly logged. Definitely a red flag to a future employer that you're detail oriented.
The other advantage with a digital log is as you are setting out to get a job you can simply email the prospective employer your logbook, they can easily review your flight records in an easy to read format giving you an air of professionalism before you ever show up in person.

When I was flying corporate we used Garmin Pilot for flight planning, filing and navigation. It has a built in logbook that was really slick. since it is being used for navigation it already has your position information; it would automatically log the departure & destination, time off and on the ground, calculate total flight time, auto calculate X-country time and night time based off time of day, it would even keep track of day/night landing & takeoffs. At the end of the flight all I had to do was enter the N-number, put in actual IMC time, # of holds and what approaches I shot. It worked amazingly well. I would let the app log the flights and then copy them to my paper log every couple of weeks or so.

I recently got on with the airlines and unfortunately the Garmin app just wasn't designed for 121 ops. I did some research on digital logbook programs and finally settled on Mcc PilotLog. It isn't as slick as the Garmin app was but it allows me to log flight numbers, pairing codes and is able to download my schedule and completed flights right from my company roster (FLICA). I'm still learning how to fully use all of the features but it seems like the best option considereing functionality vs price point.

A little help with mcc if anyonehas had a similar issue....my logbook won't show a location for where simulator device training was conducted. According to 61.51biii location is required.

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Can't you just add it to the remarks section?

Yes, which is what I did. Just can't understand why they wouldn't leave the to-from blocks available (just to be able to comply with the requirements.)

Also, for you military guys....If you have the enterprise edition of mcc, it will let you have a "second logbook."

By that, you go in and select all the aircraft you want to be associated with 1 logbook vs another. For me, that means one day if I get the regional job and then go in for a major interview, I'll have two logbooks I present. A military rw and civil/commercial fw.

I just like the idea of being able to keep all those numbers separated, but presentable in a coherent manner.

Anyone else have problems manually entering flights into APDL?

Seems really great with automatically populating OOOI times and all, but absolutely useless for trying to log pre-121 time. Or older 121 time, for that matter. A flight number for my old 172 flights? Come on now.

Did I get roped into buying an app that's useless for going totally digital, or am I just missing something

How do you like APDL? Does anyone else have experience with APDL? I was thinking about using the trial a little bit when I hit the line this summer? I already use Logbook Pro.

APDL isn’t meant for 172 flying. My advice is to either manually add previous time directly into Logbook Pro, or if you must be able to input time on a mobile device, I would buy a month of LBP Mobile and input into that app and then sync to LBP.

APDL is meant for Airline Pilots, that’s why it doesn’t exactly fit for 172 Flying. Just like many logbooks don’t fit for airline flying.
APDL tracks not just your flight times, but your 117 duty limits, your payroll and per diem. The app lets you look up gates, weather, and EDCT’s with one click from within the app. It even does commuter flight lookup for the commuters among us.
It imports your schedules from most popular scheduling systems, and auto updated OOOI times as you go. It has hotel lookup, and van time alert/alarm. Crew names and a spot for notes.
Is it perfect; no.... but for an airline pilot it’s the best out there currently.


If you just want to log time - in any plane - and still be able to import schedules to the app - then LogBookPro mobile and desktop are for you. LBP can print PDFs and makes a great electronic PDF logbook.... or take it to Fedex office and print it out for interviews.

Yes, as I said it's great for 121 stuff. And absolutely pis$ poor if you're looking for all the features y'all have listed, but also want to convert all your paper to digital

Does anyone log in both a paper logbook and digital logbook?


If your digital logbook automatically logs in minutes instead of tenths of an hour, do you log in minutes in your paper logbook too? When starting the electronic logbook, did you take your time in tenths from the paper logbook, put it into minutes and start from that?

i can’t think of a single reason to keep a paper log if you already have digital. Off site back ups are a thing.

I update my digital logbook once every 3 months and Email the file to myself when done. Haven't touched my paper logbook since 2011

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I just finished updating my digital logbook with every flight since my first as a PPL, to my latest as an RJ Captain. I plan on printing it with Logbook Solutions, but I was wondering what the general consensus was regarding endorsements.

My goal is to only bring my printed digital logbook to potential interviews. I was thinking about scanning all of my endorsements, and various phase-check grade reports from college, and adding an addendum section to the end.

Has anybody experienced any pushback of not brining the originals? My logbook's times were very close (but lower) compared to the calculated times in LTP, and I just don't want to explain why my paper version is less than my digital, and also don't want to mutilate my paper logbooks by adding pages of adjusting entires.

Thanks for everyones thoughts.

What digital logbook did you end up using?

Leave the paper in a bank vault somewhere.

IF you have an interview bring them for the endorsements and digital for times.

I ended up using LogTen Pro. I know that there are some shortfalls with the program and subscription model; but ultimately I started a long time ago, and am comfortable with the software.

I like the idea of just using the paper logbooks for endorsements, but ideally would just like to bring the 1 printed (digital) logbook, instead of the 3+ I have, with the endorsements, grade reports, and checkride results in various sections of various books.

Is there no way to take a picture of the endorsements and save the picture in LogTen Pro?

Are endorsements checked during interviews?

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I am getting ready for airline interviews. 1500TT and use LogTenPro.



Paper logbook ends around 1100 hours and I don't plan on transferring the rest of my time to paper.



My question is every now and then I get a A/C checkout or Dual Received for insurance. Can I just put those in the paper logbook where I left off? So only dual goes in the paper and every thing gets logged electronically.


I cant find an easy way to have a CFI sign on LogTenPro on
my mac.



Thanks

I answered my own question. It looks like endorsements can be loaded under certificates and the ability to load a picture is there as well.

There’s an option to upload an image, so that is the only option that I see to upload a signature on your Mac. If you are using an iPhone or iPad, endorsements can be loaded under certificates and the ability to load a picture is there as well.

Nope. They will probably look at your logbooks, if are anywhere near 1500 hours.

I didnt think that was a thing. Not sure why people are in a tizzy.

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Does anybody use MyFlightbook? It’s free. I’m just getting started with a digital logbook and could give up a few bells and whistles for a free app instead of paying for a pricey annual subscription.

Get MCCpilotlog, and you'll get bells and whistles *and* no pricey annual subscription.

Thanks, I’ll check it out.

I've been using it for four years now. I love it. Aside from being free the app (iOS and android) are both solid. The developer is also very quick to respond to feedback or questions.

Excellent. I think I will start with that since it’s free, I’ve already downloaded it, and the developer reached out to me when I suggested updating his aircraft database to reflect the TA-4J having been built by Douglas as opposed to McDonnell Douglas.

Not looking forward to entering three Navy logbooks worth of sorties though...