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WO or no?
How much should a regional being WO affect the decision of which regional to go to? What about whether or not it's unionized?
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I think flow is pretty big for today, tomorrow maybe nothing.
There are three legacies. The WO flow is really a pair of handcuffs to keep you unmotivated and wait your turn. Going to a non-WO means you have very little chance of AA, you've gone from 3 legacies down to a realistic 2. That is a huge % change. So go to a WO and be motivated. |
Originally Posted by sierramet
(Post 2353066)
How much should a regional being WO affect the decision of which regional to go to? What about whether or not it's unionized?
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Go to a WO but treat it as the flow is not there. Get your time and apply to your major of choice. Stay motivated, keep your logbook up and still work on your resume. If AA is your #1 choice a WO is your best bet unless you are a military pilot. You can also apply to AA outside of the flow but all civilian street hire is still in the 7-10k TT range to be competitive. And very small slots for street hires currently at AA.
At PDT we have mainline healthcare, travel, and profit sharing. All three are similar yet slightly different so best to talk to a pilot of each company to get a feel where you would like to go. Different bases, equipment, schedules, etc. |
I'd look at the main advantage of working for either the Delta WO or an AA WO as being the job security more so than the flow. As time goes on and retirements sky rocket with little pilots coming into the industry to replace them, the regional airline landscape is going to get very interesting. You'll see some flying return to the mainline carriers, some regionals ceasing to exist and big consolidation of regional feed among the remaining carriers. The WOs will be among the last ones standing.
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WO look very appealing today. Just a couple years ago, the thought of a WO conjured up memories of Comair. So who knows. You won't know the right answer till many years from now.
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In today's environment with a bidding war for pilots leading to big bonuses and wage increases, having the financial backing of a major airline is a big plus. Non-WO airlines with fixed ASA's with majors are going to either have to squeeze more money out of other areas of their operations to boost pilot pay or hope they can convince their major partners to cough up more money to cover their increased costs.
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Originally Posted by tennisguru
(Post 2353271)
In today's environment with a bidding war for pilots leading to big bonuses and wage increases, having the financial backing of a major airline is a big plus. Non-WO airlines with fixed ASA's with majors are going to either have to squeeze more money out of other areas of their operations to boost pilot pay or hope they can convince their major partners to cough up more money to cover their increased costs.
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
(Post 2353084)
I think flow is pretty big for today, tomorrow maybe nothing.
There are three legacies. |
In five to ten years from now, none of this silly stuff will matter.
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
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In five to ten years from now, none of this silly stuff will matter.
Go wherever you won't have to commute. |
Originally Posted by N6279P
(Post 2353369)
Western, do you know what a legacy Airline is? There are five of them.
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
(Post 2353500)
According to APC there are 5. But in today's nomenclature, legacy usually is meant to imply the "big 3."
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I'm at a WO but I'm treating it as the flow doesn't exist. The bonus and the upgrade times got me to come over.
HOWEVER, with the increasing lack of applicants, it's becoming more and more likely the big 3 will do gentlemen's agreements. As in they won't poach each others WO pilots. So it could be quite possible for me to never see United or Delta. But until it happens it's all rumor. |
What about RAH that is now 2/3's owned by all three majors (AA, UAL and DL)? Talk about obsfucating the lines between wholly owned and privately owned (and publicly owned).
The point is, the entire industry is changing and evolving. The most correct answer won't be obvious for up to a decade. Apply to a company that you want to work for, that fits your needs and your family's needs and that fits your career goals. |
Obviously the top 5 should be everyones goal to strive for, however, thats not to say that theres other places to work that will let you live like a king and be financialy well taken care of with a high QOL. Keep your mind open.
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