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ItnStln 05-24-2017 10:22 AM


Originally Posted by BravoPapa (Post 2368811)
There's also another version of that. "Those who can, do; those who can't, teach." :)

That is an equally great quote

Air Stang 7 05-24-2017 01:06 PM

The irony is that some of us would happily teach and were doing that until the pay scales all flip flopped and dare I even say, better QOL at an airline than most flight schools...
I get that not everyone wants to instruct though and yes, the low time jobs are disappearing but if you want something bad enough you'll challenge yourself. It's not rocket science teaching the beginning stages of any skill, so to whine about having to instruct for a couple years probably means you should pick another field. My .02 anyway.

mx911tom 05-24-2017 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2368785)
Great quote!

Confucius also said, " Man who walk through airport turnstile sideways going to Bangkok." But im not basing my flying experience or quality on a quote lol

ItnStln 05-24-2017 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by mx911tom (Post 2368903)
Confucius also said, " Man who walk through airport turnstile sideways going to Bangkok." But im not basing my flying experience or quality on a quote lol

Agreed, and I heard that quote in the past!

BravoPapa 05-24-2017 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by mx911tom (Post 2368903)
Confucius also said, " Man who walk through airport turnstile sideways going to Bangkok." But im not basing my flying experience or quality on a quote lol

Took me a few to get that one. lol.

Varsity 05-24-2017 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Groundpointfife (Post 2368756)
What a pity you actually have to work and pay your dues to achieve your dream. How terrible that you might have to go CFI.

Having CFI'ed to get into the airlines, it's not the "FU, I got mine." Trust me, I have watched the industry changing and was flight instructing PART TIME in 2008 when there were NO jobs, and places were furloughing. When the legislation came out suggesting that you would need to meet ATP minimums to work for an airline it seemed dismal, how could you get all of the cross-country time required etc. Since then I have had a change of perspective, and honestly you become a much better pilot by teaching. You will also appreciate your next job more knowing how hard you worked to get there.

"Those that know do. Those that understand teach." -Aristotle



Actually UND, ERAU, WMU etc go into the algorithm, so there is a point value to it. How many points is it idk but it might be the difference between two otherwise equally qualified (flight time, volunteer work etc) candidates. I see where you are coming from, a name on a piece of paper does not necessarily mean the person learned as much as a graduate of a non-aviation school who worked hard (and spent a fraction of the money).

Your second argument really kills the validity of your first one.

The 1500 hour rule is a manufactured shortage. Many on this board and myself included never touched the CFI.

"Hey we know you can drive a truck, why don't you go teach everyone else how to drive a truck for a few years so you can create a ponzi scheme to protect our lifestyle we 'earned'." :rolleyes:

Air Stang 7 05-24-2017 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2369150)
The 1500 hour rule is a manufactured shortage. Many on this board and myself included never touched the CFI.

"Hey we know you can drive a truck, why don't you go teach everyone else how to drive a truck for a few years so you can create a ponzi scheme to protect our lifestyle we 'earned'." :rolleyes:

How much do you value this profession? The minute they can start pulling folks in with wet tickets the pay goes to crap and we're back to the awful system it was. Are you management or a future scab when the opportunity presents itself?

veewan 05-24-2017 10:14 PM

Even if the 1500 hours do nothing to improve safety I'm pretty surprised how many people are against keeping it. I guess $16-22/hour first year is what people want to see come back.

adebord 05-24-2017 10:30 PM


Originally Posted by veewan (Post 2369186)
Even if the 1500 hours do nothing to improve safety I'm pretty surprised how many people are against keeping it. I guess $16-22/hour first year is what people want to see come back.

The $16-$22 first year pay still exists. Its the 1,250 hours you CFI at a flight school.

6 of one, half a dozen of another.

Air Stang 7 05-24-2017 10:38 PM


Originally Posted by adebord (Post 2369188)
The $16-$22 first year pay still exists. Its the 1,250 hours you CFI at a flight school.

6 of one, half a dozen of another.

Please explain. Seriously because I don't understand how spending time at a flight school instructing (gainful employment and experience) can be equated to shelling out money.


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