Originally Posted by Joeshmoe (Post 128816)

Yeah no. Does anyone do that???

Originally Posted by FighterHayabusa (Post 128810)

I'm talking about their pilot development program:
http://www.flightcareers.com/

which as I understand it means you pay them to be an FO for your first x number of hours. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 128812)

Ummmmmm....except that replacing a low-time first year FO with another does very little for a company as far as keeping costs down. Training expenses would probably tend to be higher due to washouts and "retraining" events. Besides, a company saves a lot more money getting a 10 year guy off the list and replacing him with a new hire than replacing a 1st year guy with a new hire.

Originally Posted by FighterHayabusa (Post 128820)

There are definitely some part 135 cargo places, yes.

I'm still not convinced you are right about Mesa's program. I will find the blurb that says you get to gain hours (unpaid) in the right seat of one of their jets.

Originally Posted by FighterHayabusa (Post 128823)

Since no one else will hire a guy with time that low, Mesa gets a few years out of them. Plus people PAY MESA to be trained, so there's your training expenses argument.

Originally Posted by FighterHayabusa (Post 128817)

No, but Mesa has been known to hire guys who meet ATP mins who only have piston multi engine experience as street captains. I admit that's hearsay, but true or not, it ain't right.

Originally Posted by FighterHayabusa (Post 128823)

Since no one else will hire a guy with time that low, Mesa gets a few years out of them. Plus people PAY MESA to be trained, so there's your training expenses argument.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 128834)

You might want to stop before you look stupid chief:rolleyes:... Not only did you contradict your self by saying "Mesa has been know to..." and then saying "I admit that's hearsay..." But do you HONESTLY think that an insurance company would insure a guy in the left seat of a jet who's previous experience is 1500 hours in a Seminole? Get a clue.



Do you know that to be fact? Do you have a source for that? The MAPD program is affiliated with Mesa but it is not Mesa. Besides that, all you are paying for is to get your Commercial Multi-engine Instrument ticket. With very few exceptions ALL of us had to pay our own way to earn our ratings. Now, once hired by Mesa as an FO you will NOT pay for your training. You'll sign a training contract that says you owe them if you leave before a specific time period but you will not pay out of pocket to get qualified as an FO. The only place I know of that requires you to pay to be a regional FO is Gulfstream Academy. If you go there you are a fool who deserves to be parted with is money.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 128834)

YThe only place I know of that requires you to pay to be a regional FO is Gulfstream Academy. If you go there you are a fool who deserves to be parted with is money.

Originally Posted by FighterHayabusa (Post 128845)

There are other 135s that do it. It appears Mesa does not, and in my feverish and hasty attempt to rebut, they were included. I withdraw the Mesa "pay to play" argument.

I can only hope that those who feel my post was "flamebait" are low-timers themselves and when they gain a few thousand hours realize they are more qualified than when they first started. Otherwise they should be happy to be replaced by the 190 hour guy who will work for 1/4 his wage.

If my original idea is not the way to get better work rules and pay, then what is?