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07-10-2017, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyingphi
Not tens of thousand...it's less than 20 thousand total In the regionals. Now subtract the unqualified and the regional lifers. Probably left with 10-12k at best.
07-12-2017, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevjets
There are tens of thousands of ATP rated people not currently at an airline.
07-12-2017, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Red
Are those 10's of thousands with ATP's that are not at airlines from the same stats that say there isn't a pilot shortage? Most of those guys have been flying around the patten an hour at a time over 20 years and would never hack it in an airline training program.
07-12-2017, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
You don't get an ATP if you're a $100 hamburger guy. That just isn't a thing.
07-12-2017, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Red
Are those 10's of thousands with ATP's that are not at airlines from the same stats that say there isn't a pilot shortage? Most of those guys have been flying around the patten an hour at a time over 20 years and would never hack it in an airline training program.
Everyone has a price. The more lucrative the airline pilot career, the more pilots' price is met. And we don't know who would hack it or not. The fact still remains that thousands of pilots have earned their ATP in the couple years since the rule took effect. There's more new ATPs since then than what all airlines have hired in the same amount of time!
This wasn't an issue 15 years ago before pilot wages, work rules, retirement, etc were all very lucrative. Once they were gutted, people stopped choosing it as a career. The renewed improvements are starting to help but it's nowhere close, when adjusted for inflation, where it was pre 911.
07-12-2017, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
Incorrect. I gave bfr's to lots of people in Florida who held atp ratings. They were generally not at all interested in the airline though.
07-12-2017, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I stand corrected. Don't see too many people, however, getting a $1000 check for literally nothing.
I had two "students" get their ATPs before the new rules went into effect... they just wanted their ticket to say Airline Transport Pilot. A doctor and a lawyer.
07-13-2017, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
Yeah, they're called retired airline pilots. Oh, and maybe a few corporate guys.
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