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PotatoChip 07-31-2017 08:26 AM

Dual Qualified Pilots
 
Question for all:
Which regionals dual-qualify all captains for both seats and can operationally assign them to the right seat?
For the record, I am not talking about CQFO, I mean ALL captains are right seat qualified and could be assigned FO flying.

I had a discussion with a regional airline manager today who is under the impression that most regionals have this. I disagreed.

Thanks.

rickair7777 07-31-2017 08:58 AM

Not the norm. I know of only one which used to do this routinely (mesa), but not sure if they still do. May be one or two others.

IMO it should be offered as an option, if you want to maintain right seat quals you can and then maybe pick up red open time at CA pay. Or maybe get reflowed...

AboveMins 07-31-2017 09:40 AM

XJT does it.

John Carr 07-31-2017 09:41 AM

XJT ERJ, "dual qualified".

Edit, "AboveMins" was 1 minute ahead of me.

CBreezy 07-31-2017 11:51 AM

Gojet does it liberally.

wiz5422 07-31-2017 11:56 AM

Envoy dual qualifies their captains during training, staffing hasn't required them to use it yet, but it is there if they need it.

Packrat 07-31-2017 12:14 PM

Not a regional, but Everts Air Cargo does it for their jet fleet.

PotatoChip 07-31-2017 12:18 PM

Thanks, all!
I'm not opposed to the idea, and certainly understand the benefits from a managerial perspective. It definitely increases utilization and efficiency. That said, if it were to be utilized, I would expect a very specific contract language on how, and the compensation involved.

I honestly didn't think even this many places had it.

zondaracer 07-31-2017 12:29 PM

SkyWest does not dual qualify captains except for line check airmen.

John Carr 07-31-2017 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2402172)
Thanks, all!
I'm not opposed to the idea, and certainly understand the benefits from a managerial perspective. It definitely increases utilization and efficiency. That said, if it were to be utilized, I would expect a very specific contract language on how, and the compensation involved.

I honestly didn't think even this many places had it.

You would hope.

A previous employer strictly prohibited it. As mentioned, XJT allowed it.

Didn't matter if it was a line holder or a reserve CA.

Never Mind the contractual issues, but there was a safety issue there ALSO. I know, we're all pilots and have flown in both seats, however......

......when certain bases opened up, and those bases went senior, pilots that bid into them and found themselves on reserve and hadn't flown FO in YEARS. Completely unfamiliar with the flows, nevermind years of not flying in the right seat.

I saw it from both ends. As a CA, the CA in the right seat is all a-holes and elbows in certain phases of flight. As a CA in the right seat after not flying there for years, I was a-holes and elbows.

After a long long time of riding management about it from the safety standpoint, it became a yearly requirement for CA's to do a few right seat items on the annual CQ. Which was a small band aid, but at least it was something.

deltajuliet 07-31-2017 02:44 PM

Captains sitting right seat is the only way Mesa has gotten through this summer and year.

falsecracks 07-31-2017 06:06 PM

Island Air in Hawaii does it for the line captains. It's for staffing since the company is having a tough time recruiting FOs and FOs that can pass training.

atpcliff 08-01-2017 07:46 AM

Atlas Air, which some pilots have compared to a regional, does this.

Sometimes there are 2, 3 or even 4 captains flying together. Or 2 capts/2 FOs, 3 Capts/1 FO. Usually it is just 1 Capt, the rest FOs. Everybody is right (and left) seat quald. The FOs can't sit in the Capt seat during TO/Landing. Unfortunately, the FOs don't get "Cruise Capt" pay when they are the PIC/Left seat during the flight.

John Carr 08-01-2017 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by atpcliff (Post 2402560)
Atlas Air, which some pilots have compared to a regional, does this.

Sometimes there are 2, 3 or even 4 captains flying together. Or 2 capts/2 FOs, 3 Capts/1 FO. Usually it is just 1 Capt, the rest FOs. Everybody is right (and left) seat quald. The FOs can't sit in the Capt seat during TO/Landing. Unfortunately, the FOs don't get "Cruise Capt" pay when they are the PIC/Left seat during the flight.

As does/has just about any other operation that requires "heavy"/crew augmentation. Apples to bowling balls comparison :rolleyes:

highfarfast 08-02-2017 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by wiz5422 (Post 2402156)
Envoy dual qualifies their captains during training, staffing hasn't required them to use it yet, but it is there if they need it.

I talked a captain on reserve a few weeks back who said CS had him do a turn in the right seat the day prior.

flyguy81 08-02-2017 05:33 AM

RAH has done dual qual for CA's for years.


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