Number of Regional Pilots
08-21-2017, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AnotherWriter
Honestly, the most analogous thing would be crossing a picket line back in the day.
The ME3 are kind of being painted as "the bad guys" right now especially after the "Our Future Our Fight" thing Delta put out. I suppose that flying for them could be construed as supporting the enemy?
Not trying to offend anyone or start a fight with that comment, its just my two cents on the matter.
The ME3 are kind of being painted as "the bad guys" right now especially after the "Our Future Our Fight" thing Delta put out. I suppose that flying for them could be construed as supporting the enemy?
Not trying to offend anyone or start a fight with that comment, its just my two cents on the matter.
08-21-2017, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AnotherWriter
Honestly, the most analogous thing would be crossing a picket line back in the day.
The ME3 are kind of being painted as "the bad guys" right now especially after the "Our Future Our Fight" thing Delta put out. I suppose that flying for them could be construed as supporting the enemy?
The ME3 are kind of being painted as "the bad guys" right now especially after the "Our Future Our Fight" thing Delta put out. I suppose that flying for them could be construed as supporting the enemy?
Flip side is that hiring your competitor's pilots in a tight labor market puts hurt on them...as opposed to raiding your own regionals.
On that last note...RJ drivers who are planning to move on in the next few years should familiarize themselves with the military concept of "STOPLOSS". It will likely be coming to a regional near you in the next 2-4 years. Better hope your regional doesn't have a partnership with the major you want to work for...
08-21-2017, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Quarryman
Soon it won't matter, just as sex changes and dumping soup into soup kitchen bowls won't matter.
I'd rather have a guy with international heavy time and a type over a sex changed tree hugger up front but the HR types don't see it that way.... Yet
I'd rather have a guy with international heavy time and a type over a sex changed tree hugger up front but the HR types don't see it that way.... Yet
How about a straight male tree hugger? Or...
A post-op sex change who is more conservative than you? Or...
Are you just incapable of getting along with other viewpoints?
08-21-2017, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
On that last note...RJ drivers who are planning to move on in the next few years should familiarize themselves with the military concept of "STOPLOSS". It will likely be coming to a regional near you in the next 2-4 years. Better hope your regional doesn't have a partnership with the major you want to work for...
But could a civilian company actually legally make something like that work? It would all be in how the contract is written obviously, but I'm not aware of any current ones that have any sort of stop loss language in them.
08-21-2017, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kaputt
Not saying you're wrong, I'm actually more curious how a stop loss for a regional would work? The military can get away with it because they have the ability to use such a tool if it is deemed a "national emergency or time of war".
But could a civilian company actually legally make something like that work? It would all be in how the contract is written obviously, but I'm not aware of any current ones that have any sort of stop loss language in them.
But could a civilian company actually legally make something like that work? It would all be in how the contract is written obviously, but I'm not aware of any current ones that have any sort of stop loss language in them.
SKW CEO calls up DAL, UAL, AA CEO's and asks them to stop or reduce hiring our guys, or else their schedules will suffer the consequences. By all accounts it happened in 2000, can happen again.
Fair? No way.
Legal. Totally.
Of course they won't announce it when they do it (if you're lucky, they'll just do a metered flow program to control the bleed out).
You'll know it's right around the corner when PBS awards you triple-digit credit lines. Oh wait, I just got one of those...
08-21-2017, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You'll know it's right around the corner when PBS awards you triple-digit credit lines. Oh wait, I just got one of those...
08-21-2017, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
SKW CEO calls up DAL, UAL, AA CEO's and asks them to stop or reduce hiring our guys, or else their schedules will suffer the consequences. By all accounts it happened in 2000, can happen again.
Fair? No way.
Legal. Totally.
Of course they won't announce it when they do it (if you're lucky, they'll just do a metered flow program to control the bleed out).
You'll know it's right around the corner when PBS awards you triple-digit credit lines. Oh wait, I just got one of those...
Fair? No way.
Legal. Totally.
Of course they won't announce it when they do it (if you're lucky, they'll just do a metered flow program to control the bleed out).
You'll know it's right around the corner when PBS awards you triple-digit credit lines. Oh wait, I just got one of those...
PSA has been sending more pilots to Delta than are flowing to AA for several months now and it seems to be increasing. It seems that once you become a LCA at PSA, you get an offer from Delta or FedEx. We lost half a dozen in the last Delta class alone.
08-21-2017, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AboveAndBeyond
The opposite of a STOPLOSS can happen too. For instance, Delta and United realize that they can really hurt AA's feed if they hire all of the pilots from AA's WO regionals. It can't happen at places that fly for multiple majors, but the ones that fly for just one carrier are at risk.
PSA has been sending more pilots to Delta than are flowing to AA for several months now and it seems to be increasing. It seems that once you become a LCA at PSA, you get an offer from Delta or FedEx. We lost half a dozen in the last Delta class alone.
PSA has been sending more pilots to Delta than are flowing to AA for several months now and it seems to be increasing. It seems that once you become a LCA at PSA, you get an offer from Delta or FedEx. We lost half a dozen in the last Delta class alone.
08-21-2017, 07:13 PM
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In all honesty, and I'm pretty sure Rickair has mentioned this before, I can see the regionals essentially going away in the next 10 years. Or at least shrinking back to the true meaning of their names, and just flying your DFW-ABI, IAD-ROA, etc... type routes.
Because I can see a mainline carrier eventually just wanting to not deal with these shenanigans and saying "Screw it, we are going to fly these routes ourselves again!"
Because I can see a mainline carrier eventually just wanting to not deal with these shenanigans and saying "Screw it, we are going to fly these routes ourselves again!"
08-22-2017, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
But could most or all of those people have come from another regional airline? ie is it a case of Piedmonts pilot group increasing while another pilot group is decreasing.
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