Even More Q400s?
 

looks like it. We just have to show we can make money with them.

They have nearly the range and speed of RJ's w/ half the fuel burn...I should hope you can make money. I wish we'd get some.

Nearly doesnt cut it, EWR-MCI :)

What altitude/speed do you guys fly the RJ at and how about the Q400?

CRJ
F250 @ 300KIAS
F370 @ .74-.77 (.77-.83 CRJ 700/900)

Q400 doesnt have oxygen mask so it could only go up to FL250. There is an option to get the mask but Bombardier will rape you fo them to Horizon didnt get them. With that option you could only go up to FL270, so its not really worth it. At FL250 we see normal TAS of about 365 to 372ish. I've seen ground speeds approach 500kts on a good day. Normal speeds sit right at around 390kts.

Turboprops get their optimal performance at about FL190 to FL210. Q400 is an awesome plane when it works..You get the speed, size, and better automation than any RJ out there. We are the only turboprop in the US that is certified for single engine CATIII, not that i would ever want to see that day but the RJ cant do that yet. (They are fun to do in the sim but dont want to come close to that in real life);) ;)

The Q400 is a 74 seat aircraft. Here are the proposed pay rates. Now lets look at GoJets. They fly 66 seat aircraft.

Does anyone else see a problem here??? Lower than GoJet. We can talk about unions all we want, and how some people want Skywest to get a union, but Colgan needs one, and about $10/hr added to their pay rates.

Better automation? Dude, I'm coming over to the 400 from the RJ, and that thing looks like a freakin' dinosaur. It's pretty obvious that it was dumbed way down to maintain a common type rating. And don't get me started on the POS FMS!

They know they can get away with that pay just because it has props. It is sad but all the pilots today would rather get AIDS than fly freakin prop. This usually only takes a year or two to overcome though. By the time they have been at this career for 2 years many wish they had flown a turboprop before they moved on to the jets. Probably because the reality of sitting behind there jets controls doesn't seem to change regardless of the size of the aircraft. With each new type rating the New Jet feeling wears off faster, but they will likely never get the chance to fly a tubroprop airliner again.
I like to think this is similiar to the guys that get married to early, only to learn they wish they had dated just a few more years as they are now pretty much locked in for life. :D
I personally wouldn't mind getting the chance to fly every possible aircraft for a couple hundred hours. Unfortunately seniority and the no legislation for an "Age 100" yet won't allow for this.:cool:

I've used both FMS's and the one in the Q4 is way more user friendly. The Collins has too many buttons to push to get to the damn point. Why does it look like a dinosaur, is the Condition Lever freakin you out or is the the "Torque." Get that "Pounds of Thrust" stuff out of you mind until you get back in the RJ. Give it a couple flights and you'll feel right at home:D

Chicks dig Beta!

That they do my deer friend........................that they do

Sixty-odd percent of our jets here at TSA don't have buckets. It's quite depressing. :(

We have our own Thrust Reverser m/x Facility :)

I'm glad that they go out and buy all these Q400s for Colgan, but yet they can't give us better pay. The new contract better come out soon and it better have a decent raise in it for 2nd yr FO.

What did you think was going to happen, they are taking full advantage of the fact that Colgan is non-union and are used to getting abused as well as being paid dirt wages.......................

Well let's see what the SCOPE section of our next contract ends up saying....... I say bring the Q's to 9E and let 9E pilots fly them.... as for the raise Im sure that will be taken care of too before there's a TA.......

We'll see. Have you heard anything recently about when the TA is supposed to come out? I would have to think by the end of the month. If I am not mistaken, NW is going to start pulling the 17 planes we got back at a rate of 2 per month is no contract was signed by 3/31. NW also fined 9E $2 million for all of the flights that have been getting cancelled. I can't imagine that Phil wants to get fined anymore.

The plane removal is at their discretion. they don't have to remove them they just have the option too. And i seriously doubt they would since we still don't even have them all online and they are footing the bill to turn them all into 50 seaters and get them back up in the air.

i am hearing 2-3 weeks for a ta on the contract.

Best of luck on your new TA!

Ouch! Flying those planes at those rates is an insult. Horizon pays $65 first-year pay for the Q400. I don't care if it's a prop or not, those Dash's take a helluva lot more piloting skill than any RJ out there. Take an RJ guy, put him back in a turbo-prop like this one, and it's learning to really "pilot a plane" all over again. These pay rates are absurd.....

What.. Where did you get that from. Its $28.52. It doesnt matter what you fly at Horizon. All FO's get paid the same rate.

Anybody at 9E wanna speculate on the new FO payrates?

I applied there in 2005 in hopes of getting lots of IND overnights, got an email to set up an interview the same day NWA declared bankruptcy, and never heard anything from them after that day.

You guys hauled my sorry butt IND to PHL/DCA many times, and I'm thankful for that...but I remember having one of your FOs tell me I just about made more first year than he did second year, and that was depressing. Here's to a BIG raise for you right-seaters!

i think he meant capt pay

Im hearing about the same rumors as everyone else..... So Im guessing we might see something in the next couple weeks.... but from what I understand good progress is being made..... As for pulling the planes back well we will see if NW actually does that.. Besides we haven't gotten all of them yet anyway because I have yet to see a 9E crew boarding and operating 601XJ or 602XJ..... As for the flight cancellation fees and the lack of CA's well that's managements own damn fault since they were the ones that cancelled those vacancys last year and now the training dept. is so backed up they cant process CA's through quick enough to make up for it. Sounds to me like CS forgot the 6 P's (Prior Planning..................) and shot himself in the foot.

Not talkin' about FO pay, slick. I was showing the massive gap between the stated Colgan Q400 pay, versus that of a respected companies' pay. For a Q400 captain to accept that pay is an insult to everyone that's fought to retain what we once had in this profession. Sad is the only word to explain it.

FO's don't make that much starting at a Legacy carrier anymore...

Lets not get carried away the Q is in no way harder to fly than the Jet, its a turbo-prop, you can slow down quicker, descend quicker, its not a swept wing airplane, its not harder to fly than a jet

NW wont pull the planes they've alrady comitted the flying and can't afford to lose it.

Are new hires going into the Q400 or are they using seniority for the FO's. And if they are using new hires, is it only until the positions are filled, then back to the Saabs or what?

An airplane is an airplane, they're all hard to fly.

hahah true, I ran into an old CA I used to fly with in PIT the other day (Good Guy), he said je was going to fly it, he said it could out climb a 737 though, not sure what he meant by that, I dont think the Q can get a climb rate of a 737, maybe a decent one down low but at altitude......................................???

Where are they planning to put these new orders? Anybody heard? The first 15 are to go to EWR we know that much.

The bid closes on the 29th for the first 56 CA and 56 F/O slots; after nobody puts those bids in because they haven't looked at the old Colgan Crew website, and after Mgmt stops scratching their heads wondering why, they will hire into the Q! Just my thoughts - BCD

I believe this is just an option, not a solid order, correct??????????

yeah, its like options for 10 more and conditionals on 20 more. Sounds like IAH will maybe see 10, and if they work out maybe more in the future. Pure speculation here

mmmm cotton candy

i heard delta wants us to start flyin the Qs for them

Are you serious? I haven't heard that one yet?

Where from JFK?