MAJOR news about 1500 hour rule change
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If true, that would be terrible for pilots and aviation in general.
The CFI's that are coming out of these programs are usually the weakest in training anyways. Why would we lessen the requirements even more?
I would much rather lower the requirements for those that went and flew 135, in a real airplane, in a variety of airspaces and conditions. CFI's typically have very little experience in busy airspace (and different areas of the country), little experience in bad weather, and fly very simple airplanes.
There are CFI's going to the airlines right now that have zero hours in actual IMC, have zero hours in a class B airport, and have only 25 hours in a multiengine airplane. 1000 hours at the airlines later, they are captains. Some have never deiced an airplane, never had an emergency, never navigated around a real thunderstorm, and are now captains of a regional jet.
Many CFI's have flown the same hour, over and over, 1500 times. The good ones go out and get real experience, but many do not.
The CFI's that are coming out of these programs are usually the weakest in training anyways. Why would we lessen the requirements even more?
I would much rather lower the requirements for those that went and flew 135, in a real airplane, in a variety of airspaces and conditions. CFI's typically have very little experience in busy airspace (and different areas of the country), little experience in bad weather, and fly very simple airplanes.
There are CFI's going to the airlines right now that have zero hours in actual IMC, have zero hours in a class B airport, and have only 25 hours in a multiengine airplane. 1000 hours at the airlines later, they are captains. Some have never deiced an airplane, never had an emergency, never navigated around a real thunderstorm, and are now captains of a regional jet.
Many CFI's have flown the same hour, over and over, 1500 times. The good ones go out and get real experience, but many do not.
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Not to be that guy, but the level of training up here is 10X better than my friends training at the local FBO. I have much larger knowledge of flying along with aviation than my buddies with the same amount of hours as I do. Not knocking 61 training because we all know it's a better way to save a ton of money, but there is a major difference in training and the education process
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The reason schools want the hours dropped is because like said earlier it’s a selling gimmick to attract more students. They have the biggest fleet of 172’s in the world. If they can’t get students through their doors than planes will be sitting not making money. A lot of students there get their hours elsewhere and not instructing. Once a student gets to commercial/cfi they don’t keep paying for hours at school till they get the 1,000! They find like everyone else a job flying.
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The reason schools want the hours dropped is because like said earlier it’s a selling gimmick to attract more students. They have the biggest fleet of 172’s in the world. If they can’t get students through their doors than planes will be sitting not making money. A lot of students there get their hours elsewhere and not instructing. Once a student gets to commercial/cfi they don’t keep paying for hours at school till they get the 1,000! They find like everyone else a job flying.
You forgot about the fact that they are making acceptance rates lower next year due to the ratio of CFI's to students. We can't handle more students than we have right now.
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They say that but with the amount of planes they have I doubt they’re going to lower it by much or they will have to get rid of inventory!
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Just to clarify my flight training costs is around $56,000. UND is extremely cheap, with my financial aid I only paid $5,000 in tuition (per semester) including room & board. Thats pretty damn good. total I'll come out getting my training and a 4 year degree roughly at $75,000. So not quiet hundreds of thousands of dollars, but I still get your point
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Not to be that guy, but the level of training up here is 10X better than my friends training at the local FBO. I have much larger knowledge of flying along with aviation than my buddies with the same amount of hours as I do. Not knocking 61 training because we all know it's a better way to save a ton of money, but there is a major difference in training and the education process
The guys who have trouble at the 121 level have attitude issues. Seems like you're on your way there
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You sound like a marvelous instructor and Omni is lucky to have you sir
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There is absolutely nothing challenging at all about flying a 172, and is not a measure of what a good pilot is.
I had a university kid sitting in the right seat the other day that didn't know how to turn the lights on at an outstation airport when the tower was closed. He never flew when it was dark or IMC when he was in college, other than the required minimums.
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