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Old 11-15-2017, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by AboveAndBeyond View Post
If true, that would be terrible for pilots and aviation in general.

The CFI's that are coming out of these programs are usually the weakest in training anyways. Why would we lessen the requirements even more?

I would much rather lower the requirements for those that went and flew 135, in a real airplane, in a variety of airspaces and conditions. CFI's typically have very little experience in busy airspace (and different areas of the country), little experience in bad weather, and fly very simple airplanes.

There are CFI's going to the airlines right now that have zero hours in actual IMC, have zero hours in a class B airport, and have only 25 hours in a multiengine airplane. 1000 hours at the airlines later, they are captains. Some have never deiced an airplane, never had an emergency, never navigated around a real thunderstorm, and are now captains of a regional jet.

Many CFI's have flown the same hour, over and over, 1500 times. The good ones go out and get real experience, but many do not.
You mean those people who all they have done is fly from point A to point B everyday that they don't even know to pitch down to recover from a stall? Yipee, entering training you have a little bit better understanding how a turbine works and know how to call for Deicing. That doesn't make you a safer pilot. It's not like the Part 135 pilots are blowing CFIs away in training, that hasn't been the case at all.
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Old 11-15-2017, 12:00 PM
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This^^

Follow the money.
Not to be that guy, but the level of training up here is 10X better than my friends training at the local FBO. I have much larger knowledge of flying along with aviation than my buddies with the same amount of hours as I do. Not knocking 61 training because we all know it's a better way to save a ton of money, but there is a major difference in training and the education process
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Old 11-15-2017, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jdebrey View Post
Why would the school want the numbers lowered? Think about it, the more hours required the more money they make per student. plus they get to keep CFI's at they're school.



Maybe I'm not looking at it correctly.


The reason schools want the hours dropped is because like said earlier it’s a selling gimmick to attract more students. They have the biggest fleet of 172’s in the world. If they can’t get students through their doors than planes will be sitting not making money. A lot of students there get their hours elsewhere and not instructing. Once a student gets to commercial/cfi they don’t keep paying for hours at school till they get the 1,000! They find like everyone else a job flying.


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Old 11-15-2017, 12:08 PM
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The reason schools want the hours dropped is because like said earlier it’s a selling gimmick to attract more students. They have the biggest fleet of 172’s in the world. If they can’t get students through their doors than planes will be sitting not making money. A lot of students there get their hours elsewhere and not instructing. Once a student gets to commercial/cfi they don’t keep paying for hours at school till they get the 1,000! They find like everyone else a job flying.

You forgot about the fact that they are making acceptance rates lower next year due to the ratio of CFI's to students. We can't handle more students than we have right now.
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Old 11-15-2017, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jdebrey View Post
You forgot about the fact that they are making acceptance rates lower next year due to the ratio of CFI's to students. We can't handle more students than we have right now.


They say that but with the amount of planes they have I doubt they’re going to lower it by much or they will have to get rid of inventory!


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Old 11-15-2017, 01:39 PM
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How many foreign students are they teaching vs undergrads? And what percentage of foreign students become cfis vs undergrads.
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Old 11-15-2017, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jdebrey View Post
Just to clarify my flight training costs is around $56,000. UND is extremely cheap, with my financial aid I only paid $5,000 in tuition (per semester) including room & board. Thats pretty damn good. total I'll come out getting my training and a 4 year degree roughly at $75,000. So not quiet hundreds of thousands of dollars, but I still get your point
What does that $56k get you? CP ASEL/AMEL and 250 hours?
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Old 11-15-2017, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jdebrey View Post
Not to be that guy, but the level of training up here is 10X better than my friends training at the local FBO. I have much larger knowledge of flying along with aviation than my buddies with the same amount of hours as I do. Not knocking 61 training because we all know it's a better way to save a ton of money, but there is a major difference in training and the education process
Well, you are that guy. When you get to a regional, I hope you let go of this mentality and fast. You don't know how to fly a 172 any better than someone from the local airport. Not that that's saying literally. anything. at. all.

The guys who have trouble at the 121 level have attitude issues. Seems like you're on your way there
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Old 11-15-2017, 02:48 PM
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I'm an instructor at my airline. Most of the pilots that I have experienced over the last 2 years, SUCK! No, they really SUCK! Their attitude is another topic for discussion. Automation is definitely keeping passengers safe in this world of risk management.

You sound like a marvelous instructor and Omni is lucky to have you sir
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Old 11-15-2017, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jdebrey View Post
Not to be that guy, but the level of training up here is 10X better than my friends training at the local FBO.
That is what the school tells you. It is amazing how many Riddle kids think that they are the greatest thing ever, until they get to training and the guy sitting next to them got his ratings at a little "mom and pop shop" and flew single pilot cargo for the last year and is 10x better of a pilot.

There is absolutely nothing challenging at all about flying a 172, and is not a measure of what a good pilot is.

I had a university kid sitting in the right seat the other day that didn't know how to turn the lights on at an outstation airport when the tower was closed. He never flew when it was dark or IMC when he was in college, other than the required minimums.
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