Originally Posted by kronan

Do any of you non-duty day worried folks really want to be talking to the NTSB at this point? Anybody really want to be arguing to the FAA that it was part 91, and thus no restrictions on how long you work?

Or change the story slightly and make it an 0500 DH to work, with no intervening rest period.

Anyone really want to be making the argument that since I wasn't on the crew manifest, that I really wasn't working? Or that it was a part 91 DH and thus 121.471.f doesn't really apply?
Or that Free From a Present Requirement to Work.....means that the only work the FAA Chief Counsel was talking about was 121 work.....or does he mean a more liberal interpretation of work in that anything the company tells/compels you to do is working. e.g if the company tells you to show up at 0500 for a pilot safety meeting, are you working? or would you consider it "rest" since you're not at the controls of your plane

Originally Posted by bla bla bla

Ok, its illegal period. To accept a deadhead flight that will violate your 8 hours of rest in a given 24 hr window is illegal. Dead heading is not rest, very clear. Does the company push you to do it yes. Does the FAA care apparently no. They get away with it because you’re going home to sleep or do whatever not fly a plane. (The FAA is concerned with accidents or incidents. They are not concerned with you’re over all wellbeing when you are not going to be flying the next day.)
Your company saves big money not giving you a hotel and paying you for the next day.

Originally Posted by XtremeF150

Yes, once again I find myself agreeing ...Even Mesa's crap contract lets us go at 16, and anything over 15 is not reducable to less than 10 hours rest. This is one thing they actually stick to in the contract.

Don't forget guys you can always limit that work day with the mention of the F-word! ....and I don't mean F-off for you new guys either