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WANNABE 03-25-2007 02:47 PM

Minimum flight time allowable for a line at SKW
 
Can anyone tell me what is the minimum flight time you can bid or fly and hold a line at SKW:confused: :confused: ?

JetJock16 03-25-2007 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by WANNABE (Post 139100)
Can anyone tell me what is the minimum flight time you can bid or fly and hold a line at SKW:confused: :confused: ?

75/80 (RJ/EMB) hours is the min that PBS will schedule for a line holder. Most lines are up around 85-90 hours. Once your line is created you can try to drop trips down to a min of, I think, about 59 hours? Once below 59 (?) hours you’re no longer eligible for benefits. Also, if you drop trips and end up below 75 hours then you will no longer be paid your 75/80 (RJ/EMB) hour guarantee, you get paid what you work.

Why? You want to be an airline pilot but don’t want to work? :D

WANNABE 03-25-2007 03:12 PM

Thanks

Just curious thats all, trying to learn all I can.

Airsupport 03-25-2007 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by JetJock16 (Post 139104)
Also, if you drop trips and end up below 75 hours then you will no longer be paid your 75/80 (RJ/EMB) hour guarantee, you get paid what you work.

thats strange, so if you drop below 75 thats all you get? We have lines that are 45 hours (high speeds) but you still get the guarantee, usually more than guarantee as for as credit is concerned. am i reading what you are saying wrong?

Freightpuppy 03-25-2007 03:41 PM

Oh ya, also, if PBS gives you anything below 75 (RJ) or 80 (Bro) hours, scheduling will just stick a trip in the middle of your days off wherever they feel like. Isn't that just peachy?

rickair7777 03-25-2007 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 139113)
thats strange, so if you drop below 75 thats all you get? We have lines that are 45 hours (high speeds) but you still get the guarantee, usually more than guarantee as for as credit is concerned. am i reading what you are saying wrong?

You are reading it wrong...

If you are awarded an 85 hour line, and intentionally drop trips below 75 hours so you can have more time off, you are not guaranteed 75 hours, only those hours that YOU chose to keep on your schedule. Otherwise I'd drop ALL of my flying every month and use my travel bennies to bounce around the world...living off my 75 hour guarantee.

If you are awarded a line that is less than 75, you still get the guarantee.

Airsupport 03-25-2007 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 139118)
You are reading it wrong...

If you are awarded an 85 hour line, and intentionally drop trips below 75 hours so you can have more time off, you are not guaranteed 75 hours, only those hours that YOU chose to keep on your schedule. Otherwise I'd drop ALL of my flying every month and use my travel bennies to bounce around the world...living off my 75 hour guarantee.

If you are awarded a line that is less than 75, you still get the guarantee.

ok, so its once you have been given a line and you drop the hours that you arent eligible for guarantee. sounds better. cant remember our contract exactly but i don't think you can drop trips below your guarantee here.

rickair7777 03-25-2007 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Freightpuppy (Post 139115)
Oh ya, also, if PBS doesn't give you anything below 75 (RJ) or 80 (Bro) hours, scheduling will just stick a trip in the middle of your days off wherever they feel like. Isn't that just peachy?

If you don't have the seniority to get 75 hours it means you are not a line holder...you either go on reserve or they can build you a mixed line. Reserve days are not "Your Days Off".

I don't know of any airlinee that just gives you time off if you can't hold a line...they will all put your @ss on reserve :rolleyes:

Freightpuppy 03-25-2007 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 139121)
If you don't have the seniority to get 75 hours it means you are not a line holder...you either go on reserve or they can build you a mixed line. Reserve days are not "Your Days Off".

I don't know of any airlinee that just gives you time off if you can't hold a line...they will all put your @ss on reserve :rolleyes:

I worded it wrong. It has nothing to do with reserve.

If the line you get has, say 78:30 hours (assuming you are on the Bro), during the bull$hit transition period, scheduling sticks a trip (or part of one) on days off to make sure you have over 80 hours. That's bull$hit if you ask me. It's happened to my fiancee every time he had anything under 80 hours. This last bid he had 79:30 and they gave him a 2 day (on Easter of course) during the "transition period" that brought him up to almost 90:00. WTF is the point of PBS then? I think it's time for a union over there. Oh wait! Maybe he can get a hold of SAPA and they will take care of it. NOT! :rolleyes:

JetJock16 03-25-2007 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by Freightpuppy (Post 139125)
I worded it wrong. It has nothing to do with reserve.

If the line you get has, say 78:30 hours (assuming you are on the Bro), during the bull$hit transition period, scheduling sticks a trip (or part of one) on days off to make sure you have over 80 hours. That's bull$hit if you ask me. It's happened to my fiancee every time he had anything under 80 hours. This last bid he had 79:30 and they gave him a 2 day (on Easter of course) during the "transition period" that brought him up to almost 90:00. WTF is the point of PBS then? I think it's time for a union over there. Oh wait! Maybe he can get a hold of SAPA and they will take care of it. NOT! :rolleyes:

SAPA AWSOME!!!! How can we say anything else? After all without SAPA we wouldn't have our new industry leading pay, Mgmnt would be able to force things like PBS and changes to QOL over night on us. I love SAPA! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: LOL!!!!

SAPA AN "F"ing JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rickair7777 03-25-2007 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Freightpuppy (Post 139125)
I worded it wrong. It has nothing to do with reserve.

If the line you get has, say 78:30 hours (assuming you are on the Bro), during the bull$hit transition period, scheduling sticks a trip (or part of one) on days off to make sure you have over 80 hours. That's bull$hit if you ask me. It's happened to my fiancee every time he had anything under 80 hours. This last bid he had 79:30 and they gave him a 2 day (on Easter of course) during the "transition period" that brought him up to almost 90:00. WTF is the point of PBS then? I think it's time for a union over there. Oh wait! Maybe he can get a hold of SAPA and they will take care of it. NOT! :rolleyes:


I haven't had that particular problem yet...it would be very annoying.

dojetdriver 03-25-2007 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by Freightpuppy (Post 139125)
I worded it wrong. It has nothing to do with reserve.
WTF is the point of PBS then? I think it's time for a union over there. Oh wait! Maybe he can get a hold of SAPA and they will take care of it. NOT! :rolleyes:

In case you hadn't noticed, CAL has a union and their PBS system in less than ideal as well. It has nothing to do with union/non-union.

ghilis101 03-25-2007 06:00 PM

the best part is when scheduling completely forgets about you and you end up not getting your 100 hours in time even after you call them 10 times to remind them you need to fly... well in their defense apparently their system isnt working

JetJock16 03-25-2007 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 139169)
the best part is when scheduling completely forgets about you and you end up not getting your 100 hours in time even after you call them 10 times to remind them you need to fly... good thing im leaving

Leaving? Where you headed?

Freightpuppy 03-25-2007 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by dojetdriver (Post 139151)
It has nothing to do with union/non-union.

Good point about CAL. I know. You are right. It's other stuff that makes me think it's time for a union over there and this is just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Freightpuppy 03-25-2007 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 139145)
I haven't had that particular problem yet...it would be very annoying.

It is very annoying especially since you hardly get a big block of days off as it is and when you do and you have less than 80 hours, you just know that the one block where you have more than 3 days is going to get a trip RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. If they need to get you up to 80, I understand that but they can at least FOR ONCE put a trip on the ends of the days off, but NO, EVERY *******ING TIME IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.


Ok, done venting now. :D

ImperialxRat 03-25-2007 06:33 PM

How does vacation time work with bidding and PBS? Is taking vacation time seniority based as well? And do you throw it in there for the month when you bid, or is there an advanced way to notify them?

Also...how much vacation time ya get at SKYW a year?

ghilis101 03-25-2007 07:42 PM

jetjock im going to kalitta in april

JetJock16 03-26-2007 02:17 AM


Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 139219)
jetjock im going to kalitta in april

Best of luck! Enjoy their old Cadillac’s (747's).


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