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Captain Upgrade Minimums
With many regionals in the 2 year upgrade range (Skywest, Pinnacle, ExpressJet, Republic...), upgrade minimums seem like they are becoming more of a barrier to upgrades, more so than seniority. I was wondering if anyone can share the upgrade minimums for any of the regionals, especially the ones above.
Pinnacle, according to APC: upgrade mins are 3500 or 3000 with 500 in type at Pinnacle Thanks guys and gals. Ryan |
Originally Posted by ryane946
(Post 143474)
With many regionals in the 2 year upgrade range (Skywest, Pinnacle, ExpressJet, Republic...), upgrade minimums seem like they are becoming more of a barrier to upgrades, more so than seniority. I was wondering if anyone can share the upgrade minimums for any of the regionals, especially the ones above.
Pinnacle, according to APC: upgrade mins are 3500 or 3000 with 500 in type at Pinnacle Thanks guys and gals. Ryan |
Thanks for the reply Jetjock. Is it the same for the CRJ and Brasilia, or are they different?
Thanks. |
It's the same for both.
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Originally Posted by JetJock16
(Post 143481)
It's the same for both.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 143484)
You don't actually need 1000 hours of 121 time...it's 1000 hours of turbine crew time, so military and corporate guys also qualify (except fighter guys).
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This is kinda crazy in my opinion, but here at AWAC I believe the upgrade mins are the same as ATP mins... 1500TT... not that anyone is seeing upgrades here anytime soon :(
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Upgrade Requirements @ XJET is ATP mins.
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there are known cases at SKW where they did waive the 2500TT requirement by a few hundred hours, at least in the Brasilia
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Originally Posted by ghilis101
(Post 143637)
there are known cases at SKW where they did waive the 2500TT requirement by a few hundred hours, at least in the Brasilia
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Most already know but the 1900 at Air Midwest is ATP mins but I do believe all the other aircraft operated under Mesa / Freedom are ATP w/ ICAO mins. Of course with upgrade time over 3 years now that should be no problem at all :rolleyes:
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ASA is 3000 i think but they said they've lowered it in the past when they had to and they probably will again within the next couple years because upgrade times are gonna start going down dramatically (they didn't do any hiring for like a year and a half)
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Good ole' TSA is 3000 total, 2000 multi, 1200 turbine. The mins become 2200 total, 1600 multi, and 1200 turbine if you have at leats 800 hours in the company ERJ.
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Originally Posted by groovinaviator
(Post 143498)
This is kinda crazy in my opinion, but here at AWAC I believe the upgrade mins are the same as ATP mins... 1500TT... not that anyone is seeing upgrades here anytime soon :(
Your right, not that it matters...even the 400hr type rating folks will have 2500 by the time they upgrade... |
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
(Post 143716)
Its not published, but I think by default mins are ICAO (2500tt) as I don't see CS building schedules with no Canada flying in them.
Your right, not that it matters...even the 400hr type rating folks will have 2500 by the time they upgrade... A lot of mesa folks had that problem a few years ago...their upgrades were revoked, they were bypassed, and had to go get more time. |
Go to Colgan, if you Ki** enough a** and never complain about them shorting you pay, who knows you can upgrade in a month or two :)
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Since it comes up a lot, what exactly are the ICAO minimums?
Rickair mentioned that ICAO minimums includes 1200 PIC. But if you get hired at a regional with 1200TT or less, you will not get 1200PIC until you upgrade. Is there some rule where a certain amount of SIC can count towards PIC, or do guys with less than 1200TT when hired have to go rent a 152?? |
Originally Posted by ryane946
(Post 143766)
Since it comes up a lot, what exactly are the ICAO minimums?
Rickair mentioned that ICAO minimums includes 1200 PIC. But if you get hired at a regional with 1200TT or less, you will not get 1200PIC until you upgrade. Is there some rule where a certain amount of SIC can count towards PIC, or do guys with less than 1200TT when hired have to go rent a 152?? |
It's in FAA Order 8400.10...
...There are two circumstances in which an ICAO restriction must be added to an applicant’s ATP certificate: A. The first circumstance requiring an ICAO restric- tion is when the applicant uses SIC or FE time to meet the 1,500 total pilot hour requirement. The restriction is required when the total of the applicant’s PIC time (see paragraph 55A, first bullet) and 50 percent of the SIC time (see paragraph 55A, third bullet) does not exceed 1,200 hours. In this case, the restriction placed on the certificate must be, “Holder does not meet the pilot flight experience requirements of ICAO.” The following is an example of how to compute whether this restriction is required: B. The second circumstance requiring an ICAO restriction is when an applicant has less than 150 actual PIC hours. In this case, the restriction placed on the cer- tificate must be, “Holder does not meet the PIC flight experience requirement of ICAO.”... Hope that helps. |
I'm not sure how other airlines do it, but at ASA you must meet the ICAO standard because we do so much international. I forget all the numbers but I know 3,000 TOTAL time is one requirement.
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Originally Posted by YAKflyer
(Post 143643)
I'm not aware of any in the past three years........
just happened this past winter |
RAH is 2500TT to upgrade into any airplane.
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Go Jets is now 700TT and 50 in type, YEAAAA. Im sorry im really bored, and no has mentioned Go jets in a while, dammit.
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3500tt at pinnacle unless you have 500 hours in company rj, then it is 3000tt
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Originally Posted by supercell86
(Post 144093)
Go Jets is now 700TT and 50 in type, YEAAAA. Im sorry im really bored, and no has mentioned Go jets in a while, dammit.
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
(Post 144259)
I think you meant what they are hiring at??The thread is about upgrade. Please tell me they aren't upgrading ppl before they can hold an ATP? :eek: That would be pretty worthless.
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So I am confused on something here... how do these real low timers get the PIC time to upgrade when they get hired with 500tt?
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Originally Posted by CloudPilot57
(Post 144487)
So I am confused on something here... how do these real low timers get the PIC time to upgrade when they get hired with 500tt?
That's the issue (not PIC specifically) at places like PCL, and that's why they a lot of people aren't able to upgrade when their number's up. |
oh I see. THanks
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the hurdle you might be referring to is the 100 X-C PIC. Im going to fall under that when I upgrade, since have under 10 hours of it.
You can, however, satisfy that requirement by logging "PIC Duties." Its an FAA approved way of fudging - i mean logging - PIC time without actually being the PIC. By definition, if you ask the Captain if you can run the flight and he/she approves, and you make all the decisions pertinent to the flight and then log it as PIC duties. Get 100 hours of that nonsense and youre good to go :) |
Originally Posted by ghilis101
(Post 144531)
the hurdle you might be referring to is the 100 X-C PIC. Im going to fall under that when I upgrade, since have under 10 hours of it.
You can, however, satisfy that requirement by logging "PIC Duties." Its an FAA approved way of fudging - i mean logging - PIC time without actually being the PIC. By definition, if you ask the Captain if you can run the flight and he/she approves, and you make all the decisions pertinent to the flight and then log it as PIC duties. Get 100 hours of that nonsense and youre good to go :) you dont have 100 hrs cross contry pic? For the ATP isnt that just airport to airport? You didnt get that througout your flight training? So if you ask the captain to be able to log PIC duties, do you just log PIC and make a note that it was "PIC duties" somewhere or how does that work |
You're thinking of 135 xc... for ATP it has to be 50nm... but you don't have to land. (as far as i know)
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Originally Posted by starvin marvin
(Post 144550)
You're thinking of 135 xc... for ATP it has to be 50nm... but you don't have to land. (as far as i know)
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A friend of mine who is leaving the military soon has been asking me about DEC opportunities in the regionals. All of his flight time is split between helicopters and light turboprops with plenty of pic time. Have all of the DECs that people are seeing had previous experience in the plane their hired into.. (Except maybe the 1900). Has anyone heard of an RJ DEC with no RJ time? (I would think not). Does anyone think the market is getting bad enough to see that soon?
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