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Ellen 04-05-2007 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by Airsupport (Post 144344)
i doubt skywest will offer bonuses before they lower their time

They'll raise first year pay before paying bonuses, this way they can spread compensation out over a period of time. Even if they raised pay $3-$6/hr., it would still be cheaper for them than paying a bonus. This slight raise might create enough interest in SKYW to create "Ship-jumpers" from other airlines.

EEked Out 04-05-2007 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by AviatorGP (Post 144232)
I believe they already have, or they are planning on it. We are losing pilots to attrition, and we're growing even faster with RJ's. You can bet you'll see them lower their minimums.

I believe they will soon. I was talking to Mr. Hyatt and he said its being looked into the only problem is at upgrade times within two years the low time guys won't have enought time to upgrade.

sgrd0q 04-05-2007 01:09 PM

This is a race to the … TOP. All these airlines desperate for pilots will start offering more and more money. New hires will go with the highest offer. Those airlines that lag behind in compensation will be wiped out. Six figure starting salaries will be expected.

Well, maybe not! :)

stickwiggler 04-05-2007 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by reelbigchair (Post 144387)
Why not?? They could shorten the training program, thereby reducing the overall cost of training. (That's what CHQ is doing.) They get to keep their insurance down because they'll have relatively experienced pilots. They wouldn't have to raise pay to the whole seniority list. I think this may be the direction that SkyWest would prefer to go instead of lowering mins. But who knows. I of course would prefer they just raise pay across the board to encourage pilots to come over, but that's a pipe dream. If CHQ finds that this bonus program works for them, I would expect all the carriers that have large hiring needs to follow them down that path. Perhaps they'll try Eagle's guarantee for a base thing, but most of our large bases can be held pretty early, so I don't think that'd be a major attractor to SkyWest. Like I said, they may have to EVENTUALLY lower them, but I wouldn't expect them to start doing that real soon. The cost to them to give bonuses would probably be lower than the increase in insurance costs if they started hiring lower time guys.

RBC,
I could be guessing here but.... I don't think the experience level of the F.O. is a big factor in the insurance that an airline pays. The time requirements of the captain might be an issue but I'm not even sure about that. Plus some airlines are self insured anyway.

JetJock16 04-05-2007 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 144402)
They'll raise first year pay before paying bonuses, this way they can spread compensation out over a period of time. Even if they raised pay $3-$6/hr., it would still be cheaper for them than paying a bonus. This slight raise might create enough interest in SKYW to create "Ship-jumpers" from other airlines.

I see what you mean, but what about the math.

$3 x 900 hours (75 hrs at least per month x 12 months) = $2700
$4 x 900 hours (75 hrs at least per month x 12 months) = $3600
$5 x 900 hours (75 hrs at least per month x 12 months) = $4500
$6 x 900 hours (75 hrs at least per month x 12 months) = $5400

Or a $2500-$3000 bonus? Apples and Oranges right?

It could cost the company more to increase pay than give a bonus, especially seeing that pilots aren't sitting reserve for very long and end up crediting 85-95 hrs per month. In that case a $3000 bonus is less than increasing first year pay.

Not to mention that if SKW offers a bonus they can resend the offer at any time where a bump in first year pay is a little more complicated. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the bump in pay and think that it should happen for more than just this reason.

ghilis101 04-05-2007 05:12 PM

nope theyll just lower mins.

ANPBird 04-05-2007 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 144402)
They'll raise first year pay before paying bonuses, this way they can spread compensation out over a period of time. Even if they raised pay $3-$6/hr., it would still be cheaper for them than paying a bonus. This slight raise might create enough interest in SKYW to create "Ship-jumpers" from other airlines.

We are already getting quite a few ship jumpers now! There is 4 in my class now that jumped ship while they were still in training at other 121 carriers.

Seatownflyer 04-05-2007 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by ANPBird (Post 144570)
We are already getting quite a few ship jumpers now! There is 4 in my class now that jumped ship while they were still in training at other 121 carriers.

Hey, you're not allowed to use a computer for anything other than practicing your flows! :D

reelbigchair 04-05-2007 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by stickwiggler (Post 144416)
RBC,
I could be guessing here but.... I don't think the experience level of the F.O. is a big factor in the insurance that an airline pays. The time requirements of the captain might be an issue but I'm not even sure about that. Plus some airlines are self insured anyway.

I may not be the most knowledgable person about this, but I specifically asked about this during my interview. After my interview was over, the capt who did the interview specifically asked me if I had any friends who were interested in coming as well, cause they needed resumes. So I asked if the would take someone with 121/turbine time if he was under 1000. He said they couldn't because of insurance. Maybe he didn't know what he was talking about either, but that's what he said.

Ellen-if they raise first pay that goes to everyone, not just brand new hires, they would avoid that if they could, but I hope you're right, cause $19 a hour is too low.

trackpilot 04-05-2007 08:33 PM

I'm hearing 800/100 very soon.


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