CJ-900 floating tendency
05-21-2018, 09:05 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by PerfInit
Just wondering/hypothetical: Since the -900 fuselage is longer than the -700, are the Ref speeds higher (not just due to increased gross weight) but also for tail strike protection? If true, this would suggest more “float” is possible.
now if you are super light in the 900, it will float like crazy if you dont get the power out earlier than you might normally.
05-21-2018, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by AirlineMerc
Nah, I’m not perfect with the landings, so I consider it an opportunity to hear techniques from other CRJ jocks.
Exactly. Same here. I have good ones and bad ones like we all do. I just like reading tips and techniques. I just added how I do it and what helped me. When I started adjusting the seat height to where you can see the one “ball” and not two on the center post of the windshield it helped so much.
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05-21-2018, 09:23 AM
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A firm landing hurts only your ego and won’t last past the first round of beers at the overnight. Going off a runway because you landed with excess energy will be remembered at least as long as you have to fill out job applications.
05-21-2018, 10:19 AM
#24
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Originally Posted by AirlineMerc
The fun starts when you get to fly all three in a single trip....or even a single day.
Never had a problem with that but I guess it's what you're used to.
200: I could always nail it and grease it. Grease was due to trailing links. Precision was due to what some people considered a late and aggressive flare, but the 200 was small enough that you could land it by referencing where your butt is without worrying about tail strikes, more like you're wearing the plane. I was taught short-field landings by a CA I flew with as a newb, and it stuck (KPHL 26).
700: Power out at 20' call, gentle flare. This one is the roughest of the lot for me.
900: Power out at 10' (depending on sink rate). Gentle flare, and a VERY slight release of back-pressure as the mains touch down. Mains are behind the CG just a bit, so lowering the nose a little actually reduces the VS of the mains.
05-21-2018, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Av8er1550
The main thing is most people flare too much. I’ve found that I used to have my seat positioned too low and would flare a good bit. Once I started positioning my seat in the correct spot for landing and not glaring as much it makes for a beautiful landing. I’ll start walking the power back on the 100 foot call, little more on the 50. It’s out by 20 and just a small touch of flare and sometimes even a tad bit of forward pressure on the yoke. I saw so many captains doing that for the longest time and always would grease it and then I started doing it. If you try to pull back too hard right before it touches, the way the main gear is positioned, it’ll also make for a harder landing. The elevator is basically just pushing the wheels down harder at that point.
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Just a smidge of power at 100'(and don't flare at this point, seems like people get antsy in the pantsy and want to start pulling back, if anything I might even push it forward just a tiny tiny bit) at 50' pull power at a rate conducive with conditions (I've found in windy gusty turbulent to reduce power slower and less flare, it will be firm instead of a greaser) and simultaneously very lightly smoothly ease back on the yoke by the time you hear 10 no more flaring and possibly even a small quiff hair of a push.
If you do it like they teach in the sim you'll float it to the end of touch down zone every time. how they do it in the sim works in the sim.
05-21-2018, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Quarryman
The secret to a good landing is to not give a $hit. Over think it and it comes out wrong every time.
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