Originally Posted by JetJock16

SKW policy is “Up or Out” on your initial upgrade, but you get three strikes before being FIRED. If you fail your final systems test on the first attempt that 1 strike. F up your V1 cut, steep turns and 0 flap landing on your first attempt of your checkride, that's your 2nd strike (regardless of how many problems on the ride it counts as one strike). Then on IOE you have a series of problems that accounts for you not completing IOE by 50 hrs, that's your 3rd strike. If this was you initial upgrade (FO to CA) and not a transition up grade (EMB CA to CRJ CA) then "YOU"RE FIRED!" If you’re a transition CA then you get 2 chances with a 6 month lock in between attempts and if you don’t pass the second time I think you’re stuck in your current CA position.

BUT, if it’s your first attempt at upgrade and you get 3 strikes YOUR FIRED. You don’t get strikes for small stuff, they are large screw ups. At SKW if you’ve got the right attitude you’ll be fine. I asked one of our SKW DE’s and he said that he only knows of one or two in the last few years that failed their initial upgrade and were fired, but they were fired. It’s BS but with out a union there’s nothing we can do about it, it's called “At Will Employment.”

Originally Posted by Airsupport

that is my point, if they want you out,, this is when they will do it. hopefully you didn't rub someone the wrong way, or say something that will come back and bite you.

Originally Posted by ghilis101

theyre not going to "give" you this or that, that is the wrong expectation here. Its what a union will do for your work environment.

ALPA may not have fixed the poor conditions at Mesa, but it still protects a pilot from being fired on the spot, which by the way can happen at skywest (its called "at will" employment because you can be fired at will). Not to mention nothing at skywest is a CONTRACT. it is POLICY instead, meaning they reserve the right to change it at anytime. A union gets you a contract through collective bargaining. Its not "ALPAs" fault if your reps and MEC are weak and score you a terrible contract. I would gladly put 1.95% of my paycheck to ensure my job, my pay, and my license are protected. not to mention a truly unified pilot group (xjet for example) can really work wonders.

Originally Posted by Flyer00

Nobody is perfect 100% of the time...I know I'm not! I can't wait though to watch as some of these smug SJS wonder pilots vote down something that they don't totally comprehend. Then watch as it bites them in the ass when they are fired for whatever reason the company wants, or when the company screws with them during their next "negotiations". Maybe that might deflate some of those egos.