Hand flying: CRJ vs E175?
07-03-2018, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by penaltybox
Old school or not keep in mind hand flying can put a lot of extra work on the PM. Might not be a good idea during high task situations.
I was PM from DEN-COS and the PF hand flew the whole way, which I didn’t mind but he didn’t give me a heads up and it was a lot of work in 12 minutes for me. If I’m going to handfly a short route like that, I ask the other pilot if he is ok with the workload.
07-03-2018, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by zondaracer
Haha this.
I was PM from DEN-COS and the PF hand flew the whole way, which I didn’t mind but he didn’t give me a heads up and it was a lot of work in 12 minutes for me. If I’m going to handfly a short route like that, I ask the other pilot if he is ok with the workload.
I was PM from DEN-COS and the PF hand flew the whole way, which I didn’t mind but he didn’t give me a heads up and it was a lot of work in 12 minutes for me. If I’m going to handfly a short route like that, I ask the other pilot if he is ok with the workload.
I had a clueless Capt decide to hand fly into EWR in IMC (near mins) starting on base leg, with no coordination. Tripled my workload in the busiest airspace in the country, just to prove what a "great" pilot he was.
07-03-2018, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by navigatro
+1.
I had a clueless Capt decide to hand fly into EWR in IMC (near mins) starting on base leg, with no coordination. Tripled my workload in the busiest airspace in the country, just to prove what a "great" pilot he was.
I had a clueless Capt decide to hand fly into EWR in IMC (near mins) starting on base leg, with no coordination. Tripled my workload in the busiest airspace in the country, just to prove what a "great" pilot he was.
07-04-2018, 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by VIRotate
Same thing happened to me. Turned off AP and FD in cruise prior to starting decent into DFW...Needless to say my workload was insane and I'll tell you what, it was super sloppy. On the ground, he apologized. I told him nothing wrong with hand flying, but maybe leave the FD on next time until you are set up for the visual. We survived with no paper work. Well there would have been had I not called the field when I realized he shot past the assigned base heading by 30 degrees. Good times.
Auto throttles come off about 10-15% of the time in final for currency.
07-04-2018, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Good god. Sounds like a lot of extra stress for nothing. To the point, our airline only has very limited rules as to when we have to hand fly so it really comes down to the pilots. I usually hand fly to about 8-10k on departures and shortly after being cleared onto the ils course. This is all assuming that we had a good controller that hasn’t left is high, fast or too close. In those cases I find the 75 struggles and needs manual attention.
Auto throttles come off about 10-15% of the time in final for currency.
Auto throttles come off about 10-15% of the time in final for currency.
07-04-2018, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by VIRotate
Same thing happened to me. Turned off AP and FD in cruise prior to starting decent into DFW...Needless to say my workload was insane and I'll tell you what, it was super sloppy. On the ground, he apologized. I told him nothing wrong with hand flying, but maybe leave the FD on next time until you are set up for the visual. We survived with no paper work. Well there would have been had I not called the field when I realized he shot past the assigned base heading by 30 degrees. Good times.
07-04-2018, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by zondaracer
Haha this.
I was PM from DEN-COS and the PF hand flew the whole way, which I didn’t mind but he didn’t give me a heads up and it was a lot of work in 12 minutes for me. If I’m going to handfly a short route like that, I ask the other pilot if he is ok with the workload.
I was PM from DEN-COS and the PF hand flew the whole way, which I didn’t mind but he didn’t give me a heads up and it was a lot of work in 12 minutes for me. If I’m going to handfly a short route like that, I ask the other pilot if he is ok with the workload.
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